[duxuser] back translation

  • From: "Neal Kuniansky" <Neal@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 23:40:12 -0500

We at Duxbury Systems have put some effort into back translation.  
Often the back translation for contracted braille is, as difficult  or more
difficult than forward translation.  This of course varies form language to
language.  It is a very rarely appreciated feature of our software.  
Although we do not have back translation for all languages.  

Back to work!

Sincerely,
Neal Kuniansky
Email: Neal@xxxxxxxxxx
TEL:+1 978-692-3000 EXT 307
FAX: +1 978-692-7912
URL: http://www.DuxburySystems.com 
Duxbury Systems, Inc. 
The name for Braille since 1975.
270 Littleton Road, #6
Westford MA, 01886 USA


-----Original Message-----
From: duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of David Poehlman
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 6:06 PM
To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxuser] Re: FW: embedding brl dots in e-mails

Hi Steve,

Your point is well taken about back translators.  As for what might be done,
There are more reasons than you and I might be able to think of why it might
be something usefull to someone.  I still think it would help transcribers
but It's good to know that dbt will do this for us.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Dresser" <s.dresser@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 4:53 PM
Subject: [duxuser] Re: FW: embedding brl dots in e-mails


Dave,

Based on the fact that there are so few good reverse translators (Duxbury
being one of them, I'd say it's a lot more difficult than you might
think.  Even if it's not, I wonder why anyone would want to write Emails in
a specialized form like braille just so they could be translated back into
text, which is how they started in the first place.

Steve

On Thursday 3/18/04 14:25 David Poehlman wrote:
>Steve, I read in grade 2 on my braille display all the time.  This is
>information that is in print on the screen that speaks fine yet jaws can
>translate this into grade 2 braille.  If it can translate, how hard would
it
>be do to the reverse?
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Steve Dresser" <s.dresser@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 12:31 PM
>Subject: [duxuser] Re: FW: embedding brl dots in e-mails
>
>
>Peter,
>
>True, Blazie devices had a reverse translator, but it wasn't very
>good.  Second, the screen reading capabilities of the Blazie devices were
>nowhere nearly as sophisticated as today's screen readers.  For example,
>see what happens if you turn your BNS loose on a Web page (assuming you can
>even figure out how to make it read one).
>
>Although K1000 has some screen reading functions, it is not a screen
>reader.  It's reverse translator is fairly primitive, and is there only as
>a quick and dirty method of back-translating braille.
>
>I don't work for Freedom Scientific (or any other screen reader company,
>for that matter), but as someone who worked as a programmer for nearly 30
>years, I can tell you that building a reverse translator into a screen
>reader is an extremely low priority because it would take more resources
>than any screen reader company has, or is likely to have given the very
>limited market.  Ask yourself if you'd be willing to pay double or triple
>the price of your favorite screen reader, and you'll have a better idea why
>it hasn't happened yet, and probably never will.
>
>Steve
>
>On Thursday 3/18/04 00:21 Peter Donahue wrote:
> >Hello Steve and listers,
> >
> >     The Blazie folks cracked that nut years ago with their line of
superb
> >Braille-aware devices.  Why this technology has yet to be included in
>screen
> >readers is beyond me.  However this feature is available in the K1000 so
> >there's hope for this matter.
> >
> >Peter Donahue
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Steve Dresser" <s.dresser@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >To: <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 9:32 PM
> >Subject: [duxuser] Re: FW: embedding brl dots in e-mails
> >
> >
> >Alan,
> >
> >I can't comment on the appearance of braille dots in an Email message,
but
> >I can tell you that the only way to read braille as it is rendered by
> >translation software is to use a braille display.  For a screen reader to
> >render braille into intelligible speech, you would have to send the
> >material through a reverse translator to turn it back into text.
> >
> >Steve
> >
> >On Wednesday 3/17/04 20:59 Blackburn, Alan wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >G'day all,
> > >I have a technical question which I intend to post across several
lists,
> > >so my apologies in advance to those of you who have to put up with
> > >multi-copies.
> > >
> > >Is there an easy way to "embed" Braille into an e-mail so it shows as
>dots
> > >on the received e-mail (other than sending it as an attachment)? If
there
> > >is it would enable us to avoid the "dot 3, dot 4-5-6-" "en-in-ing-"
> > >gibberish we resort to to communicate Braille questions. I did a little
> > >test using ascii code, and also copy/paste from a .dxb (Duxbury) file
> > >(also ascii) which seemed to work as long as the receiving computer had
a
> > >Braille font installed. I don't know how well it would work with screen
> > >readers/Jaws etc.
> > >
> > >Any ideas?
> > >Alan.
> > >
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