Well I am not Joanie, but I will answer affirmative. Smart quotes and apostrophes have been our #1 or #2 issue (depending on who you ask). Smart quotes (double quotes) were a problem in the previous (10.5) release, but do not seem to be a problem with this beta. Apostrophes have continued to be a major problem for us, however. +-------------------------------------------+ | Michael Surato | | Resource Center for Persons | | with Disabilities | | Michigan State University | | 120 Bessey Hall | | East Lansing, MI 48824 | | Voice: (517) 353-9643 Fax: (517) 432-3191 | +-------------------------------------------+ > -----Original Message----- > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter Sullivan > Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 12:52 PM > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Finding and replacing styles > > Joanie, > > You mean that the smart apostrophes pasted in from Word have > been your #2 issue? > > Are double quotes a problem in this context too? > > - Peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 12:24 PM > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Finding and replacing styles > > This is exactly our experience. Aside from the licensing > issues that we have had with our client/server environment, > this quandary is our biggest pain point with Duxbury. > > +-------------------------------------------+ > | Michael Surato | > | Resource Center for Persons | > | with Disabilities | > | Michigan State University | > | 120 Bessey Hall | > | East Lansing, MI 48824 | > | Voice: (517) 353-9643 Fax: (517) 432-3191 | > +-------------------------------------------+ > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter Sullivan > > Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 12:13 PM > > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Finding and replacing styles > > > > Joanie, > > > > You then might run into the other problem with "smart" > > apostrophes. DBT apparently manages these better when reading the > > Word file instead of the clipboard. > > > > Another approach you might explore is using Word's > Autoformat feature, > > available in the Format menu. It's supposed to help clean up > > "illogical" > > style applications and other formatting in a document. > I've only done > > a very little bit of testing, but did find that it produces > a document > > that should be well-managed by DBT. > > > > - Peter > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Joanmarie Diggs > > Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 12:04 PM > > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Finding and replacing styles > > > > Removing *all* styles is easy: Select all the text in the Word > > document, copy it, and then paste it into a new Duxbury print > > document. <smile> I do this when a Word document is so overly > > formatted (or illogically formatted) that's it's easier to > start from > > scratch. > > > > But I like the idea of being able to pick and choose on the fly. > > > > Take care. > > Joanie > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter Sullivan > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 11:37 AM > > > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Finding and replacing styles > > > > > > Micheal, > > > > > > I've put this on file too, with reference #1588, the full text of > > > which is > > > this: > > > > > > The simplest useful approach would actual strip only > linear styles, > > > presumably leaving [l] at the start or end of each such paragraph. > > > A more useful approach would prompt the user to remove linear, > > > nestable, or both kinds of styles. > > > Finally, we could present a full dialog, with all > > > *referenced* styles (even > > > undefined ones) listed. The user could "Select All", > > "Select None", > > > "Select Linear", "Select Nestable", or select/deselect individual > > > entries before clicking "Remove Styles". It might be nice > > also to have > > > a place to specify what is done in place of where linear > > styles have > > > been removed (e.g. [p] versus [l]). > > > > > > You're right to suggest that we won't be getting to that third > > > approach in this beta round. New UI that involves more > > than a string > > > or two is something that we consider only in extreme cases, > > because it > > > is difficult for our localizers to keep pace when we may be > > shipping > > > soon. > > > > > > The first suggestion is something that we will have to > > reflect upon. > > > Here too, we're struggling with defects in existing > features at the > > > moment, so it isn't possible for me to predict what new > > ones will make > > > it into the software. > > > > > > But I do appreciate you bringing this to my attention. > > > > > > - Peter > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Michael Surato > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 9:47 AM > > > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Finding and replacing styles > > > > > > I heartily concur. In the long run, the flexibility to > > remove any type > > > of style would be a great feature. If that is not > possible in this > > > release, then I would at least be satisfied with removing > > the linear > > > styles. > > > > > > +-------------------------------------------+ > > > | Michael Surato | > > > | Resource Center for Persons | > > > | with Disabilities | > > > | Michigan State University | > > > | 120 Bessey Hall | > > > | East Lansing, MI 48824 | > > > | Voice: (517) 353-9643 Fax: (517) 432-3191 | > > > +-------------------------------------------+ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Don Breda > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 9:41 AM > > > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Finding and replacing styles > > > > > > > > > Hi Peter. > > > > > > I have had customers request a feature to remove all > > styles in a > > > document. Frankly I think if you were to press them on it y > > you would > > > realize they probably mean all linear styles but if all > the options > > > were present and selectable as you suggest (ie. remove > > linear, nested, > > > or both or > > > (all) is probably more accurate then customers could choose > > and what > > > with the undo feature present no choice would be catestroaphic. > > > > > > Don > > > > > > On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:46:27 -0500, Peter Sullivan wrote: > > > > > > >Michael, > > > > > > > >There is no such option. > > > > > > > >However, you can, perhaps, effect something of the > > same thing if > > you > > > only > > > >mean to remove linear stlyes -- what most people call > > paragraph > > > styles. > > > > > > > >Try this: > > > >- Choose Edit, Select All to highlight the whole document. > > > >- Choose Layout, Join Styles to put all the text into > > one set of > > > style tags. > > > >- Choose Edit, View Codes (if necessary) to put the > > document in > > > coded view. > > > >- Push Control-Home to move to the beginning of the document. > > > >- Now use the Arrow keys and backspace or delete to remove the > > > document's > > > >only start style tag for a linear style. The corresponding end > > style > > > key > > > >should be removed automatically. > > > > > > > >Nestable styles -- what most people call character > > styles -- will > > > remain > > > >even after this procedure. > > > > > > > >It takes a bit more skill that what you suggest, so > > we'll keep your > > > > > request > > > >in mind. And I'm not sure that it does all you want either. > > > Will you also > > > >want to clear nestable styles? If you had your ideal feature > > > implemented, > > > >would it allow you to strip only linear or only > > nestable or both > > > kinds of > > > >styles? Would it present a list of styles referenced in the > > document > > > for > > > >you to select those you want cleared? > > > > > > > >- Peter > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > > > >Behalf Of Michael Surato > > > >Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 4:29 PM > > > >To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > >Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Finding and replacing styles > > > > > > > >Along these same lines, is there an option to remove all styles > > from > > > the > > > >document? This would be similar to Word's "clear formatting" > > > >instruction. Alternatively, (perhaps a better option) > > would be to > > > have the > > > >"Word Importer..." dialog under global settings to > > have the option > > > to ignore > > > >Word styles. We are often looking to not use any > > styles but have > > > Word files > > > >as a source and this would be a good option for us. > > > > > > > >+-------------------------------------------+ > > > >| Michael Surato | > > > >| Resource Center for Persons | > > > >| with Disabilities | > > > >| Michigan State University | > > > >| 120 Bessey Hall | > > > >| East Lansing, MI 48824 | > > > >| Voice: (517) 353-9643 Fax: (517) 432-3191 | > > > >+-------------------------------------------+ > > > > > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > >> From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > >> [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Joanmarie > > Diggs > > > >> Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 2:08 PM > > > >> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > >> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Finding and replacing styles > > > >> > > > >> Hmmmm.... Now I'm pondering. :) > > > >> > > > >> The case you mention is not quite what I had in > > mind. If a user > > > knows > > > >> how to enter the style to find as a style tag, what is the > > > likelihood > > > >> that he/she will then turn around enter the > > replacement style as > > > plain > > > >> text? > > > >> Granted, I've seen stranger user behavior, but my > > gut is telling > > > me > > > >> that this scenario isn't going to happen all that > > often. So **for > > > > > > >> this > > > >> scenario** I'd say clean up the error message. > > > >> > > > >> The scenario I'm envisioning is a bit different. What if you > > > >> imported a document from Word and, due to the > > default formatting > > > in > > > >> Word, wound up with text in Duxbury that was > > formatted with the > > > >> paragraph style, but really should be formatted as > > text separated > > > > > by a > > > >> new line? In that instance, you could replace the > > paragraph style > > > > > > >> with the code [l] or [<]. So the user gets into the > > find/replace > > > >> dialog, manually enters the style tag, manually > > enters the code, > > > and > > > >> then sees the replace stylename checkbox and has to decide > > whether > > > or > > > >> not to check it. A reasonable thing, I think, for the user to > > > > > > >> conclude is that he/she is indeed replacing a stylename: > > > >> The stylename <para.> is being replaced with the code [l]. > > > >> That might not be what the intent of that checkbox > > is, but the > > > user > > > >> will check it all the same. :) Even if you clean up the error > > > > > > >> message, our hypothetical user is not going to > > understand what > > the > > > >> problem is. So in this case I'd vote for either > > option 1 (just do > > > > > the > > > >> replace) or option 2 (are you sure you want to > > replace your style > > > > > with > > > >> this code). > > > >> > > > >> --Joanie > > > >> > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > >> From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > >> [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of > > Peter Sullivan > > > >> Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 1:19 PM > > > >> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > >> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Finding and replacing styles > > > >> > > > >> Joanie, > > > >> > > > >> I've been pondering this a bit. > > > >> > > > >> The behavior that you're now seeing -- apart from > > the ugliness of > > > > > the > > > >> error message -- is at least somewhat intentional. > > > >> > > > >> What I wonder is, when a user types in a "style name to find" > > > > > > >> as a style tag, and a "style name with which to replace it" > > > >> as plain text, then checks "replace stylename", just > > what is the > > > >> intent? Is the user intending to replace style tags in the > > > document > > > >> with plain text? With "replace stylename" > > > >> checked, that's never what DBT will do. > > > >> > > > >> So we deliberately stopped short of handling the > > "mixed entry > > > method" > > > >> case that you cite, for fear that we'd otherwise be doing > > > something > > > >> that the user wasn't expecting. Perhaps with Undo available, > > > that's > > > >> not such a big deal. > > > >> > > > >> Anyhow, I have some choices for you (and others who > > may care to > > > >> express an opinion). Shall we: > > > >> 1. Just go ahead and replace the one style with the other, > > despite > > > >> the odd data entry, > > > >> 2. Warn the user about the apparent inconsistency, > > and go ahead > > > with > > > >> the replacement if the user confirms it, or > > > >> 3. Just clean up the error message? > > > >> > > > >> - Peter > > > >> > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > >> From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > >> [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Joanmarie > > Diggs > > > >> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:23 PM > > > >> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > >> Subject: [duxhelp] Finding and replacing styles > > > >> > > > >> Hi all. With respect to this fix: > > > >> --- > > > >> DBT's Find and Replace dialogs are more flexible about > > > understanding a > > > >> user's intent to search for or replace styles. It is > > now possible > > > > > to > > > >> use Control-< to enter the style as a tag and check the > > > "Find/Replace > > > >> style" > > > >> checkbox. > > > >> --- > > > >> If you: > > > >> 1. manually insert a style with Control-< 2. put a > > non-style in > > > the > > > >> replace with edit box 3. check the replace stylename checkbox > > > >> > > > >> You still get the error dialog. The error message isn't very > > > pretty > > > >> either. > > > >> Here is the screen shot of the dialog that appeared > > when I tried > > > to > > > >> replace the para style with the linefeed code -- > > both of which > > > were > > > >> manually entered. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> And for the benefit of screen reader users, here is the text > > > (which I > > > >> would read with all punctuation turned on -- also note the > > > >> non-printing character that appears after each open quotation > > > -- JAWS > > > >> says it's "character 28") > > > >> > > > >> There is no style defined with the name "es~para.. > > > Are you sure > > > you > > > >> want to replace all occurrences of the style > > "es~para. with "l? > > > >> > > > >> Take care. > > > >> Joanie > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> * * * > > > >> * This message is via list duxhelp at freelists.org. > > > >> * To unsubscribe, send a blank message with > > > >> * unsubscribe > > > >> * as the subject to <duxhelp-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>. > > > You may also > > > >> * subscribe, unsubscribe, and set vacation mode and other > > > subscription > > > >> * options by visiting //www.freelists.org. 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