[duxhelp] Re: Finding and replacing styles
- From: "Joanmarie Diggs" <joanmarie.diggs@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 12:04:28 -0500
Removing *all* styles is easy: Select all the text in the Word document,
copy it, and then paste it into a new Duxbury print document. <smile> I do
this when a Word document is so overly formatted (or illogically formatted)
that's it's easier to start from scratch.
But I like the idea of being able to pick and choose on the fly.
Take care.
Joanie
> -----Original Message-----
> From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter Sullivan
> Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 11:37 AM
> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Finding and replacing styles
>
> Micheal,
>
> I've put this on file too, with reference #1588, the full
> text of which is
> this:
>
> The simplest useful approach would actual strip only linear styles,
> presumably leaving [l] at the start or end of each such paragraph.
> A more useful approach would prompt the user to remove
> linear, nestable, or
> both kinds of styles.
> Finally, we could present a full dialog, with all
> *referenced* styles (even
> undefined ones) listed. The user could "Select All", "Select
> None", "Select
> Linear", "Select Nestable", or select/deselect individual
> entries before
> clicking "Remove Styles". It might be nice also to have a
> place to specify
> what is done in place of where linear styles have been
> removed (e.g. [p]
> versus [l]).
>
> You're right to suggest that we won't be getting to that
> third approach in
> this beta round. New UI that involves more than a string or two is
> something that we consider only in extreme cases, because it
> is difficult
> for our localizers to keep pace when we may be shipping soon.
>
> The first suggestion is something that we will have to
> reflect upon. Here
> too, we're struggling with defects in existing features at
> the moment, so it
> isn't possible for me to predict what new ones will make it into the
> software.
>
> But I do appreciate you bringing this to my attention.
>
> - Peter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Michael Surato
> Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 9:47 AM
> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Finding and replacing styles
>
> I heartily concur. In the long run, the flexibility to remove
> any type of
> style would be a great feature. If that is not possible in
> this release,
> then I would at least be satisfied with removing the linear styles.
>
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> From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Don Breda
> Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 9:41 AM
> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Finding and replacing styles
>
>
> Hi Peter.
>
> I have had customers request a feature to remove all styles in a
> document. Frankly I think if you were to press them on it y you would
> realize they probably mean all linear styles but if all the
> options were
> present and selectable as you suggest (ie. remove linear,
> nested, or both or
> (all) is probably more accurate then customers could choose
> and what with
> the undo feature present no choice would be catestroaphic.
>
> Don
>
> On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:46:27 -0500, Peter Sullivan wrote:
>
> >Michael,
> >
> >There is no such option.
> >
> >However, you can, perhaps, effect something of the
> same thing if
> you only
> >mean to remove linear stlyes -- what most people call paragraph
> styles.
> >
> >Try this:
> >- Choose Edit, Select All to highlight the whole document.
> >- Choose Layout, Join Styles to put all the text into
> one set of
> style tags.
> >- Choose Edit, View Codes (if necessary) to put the document in
> coded view.
> >- Push Control-Home to move to the beginning of the document.
> >- Now use the Arrow keys and backspace or delete to remove the
> document's
> >only start style tag for a linear style. The corresponding end
> style key
> >should be removed automatically.
> >
> >Nestable styles -- what most people call character
> styles -- will
> remain
> >even after this procedure.
> >
> >It takes a bit more skill that what you suggest, so
> we'll keep your
> request
> >in mind. And I'm not sure that it does all you want either.
> Will you also
> >want to clear nestable styles? If you had your ideal feature
> implemented,
> >would it allow you to strip only linear or only
> nestable or both
> kinds of
> >styles? Would it present a list of styles referenced in the
> document for
> >you to select those you want cleared?
> >
> >- Peter
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> >Behalf Of Michael Surato
> >Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 4:29 PM
> >To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Finding and replacing styles
> >
> >Along these same lines, is there an option to remove all styles
> from the
> >document? This would be similar to Word's "clear formatting"
> >instruction. Alternatively, (perhaps a better option)
> would be to
> have the
> >"Word Importer..." dialog under global settings to
> have the option
> to ignore
> >Word styles. We are often looking to not use any
> styles but have
> Word files
> >as a source and this would be a good option for us.
> >
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> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Joanmarie
> Diggs
> >> Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 2:08 PM
> >> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Finding and replacing styles
> >>
> >> Hmmmm.... Now I'm pondering. :)
> >>
> >> The case you mention is not quite what I had in
> mind. If a user
> knows
> >> how to enter the style to find as a style tag, what is the
> likelihood
> >> that he/she will then turn around enter the
> replacement style as
> plain
> >> text?
> >> Granted, I've seen stranger user behavior, but my
> gut is telling
> me
> >> that this scenario isn't going to happen all that
> often. So **for
>
> >> this
> >> scenario** I'd say clean up the error message.
> >>
> >> The scenario I'm envisioning is a bit different. What if you
> >> imported a document from Word and, due to the
> default formatting
> in
> >> Word, wound up with text in Duxbury that was
> formatted with the
> >> paragraph style, but really should be formatted as
> text separated
> by a
> >> new line? In that instance, you could replace the
> paragraph style
>
> >> with the code [l] or [<]. So the user gets into the
> find/replace
> >> dialog, manually enters the style tag, manually
> enters the code,
> and
> >> then sees the replace stylename checkbox and has to decide
> whether or
> >> not to check it. A reasonable thing, I think, for the user to
>
> >> conclude is that he/she is indeed replacing a stylename:
> >> The stylename <para.> is being replaced with the code [l].
> >> That might not be what the intent of that checkbox
> is, but the
> user
> >> will check it all the same. :) Even if you clean up the error
>
> >> message, our hypothetical user is not going to
> understand what
> the
> >> problem is. So in this case I'd vote for either
> option 1 (just do
> the
> >> replace) or option 2 (are you sure you want to
> replace your style
> with
> >> this code).
> >>
> >> --Joanie
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> Peter Sullivan
> >> Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 1:19 PM
> >> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Finding and replacing styles
> >>
> >> Joanie,
> >>
> >> I've been pondering this a bit.
> >>
> >> The behavior that you're now seeing -- apart from
> the ugliness of
> the
> >> error message -- is at least somewhat intentional.
> >>
> >> What I wonder is, when a user types in a "style name to find"
>
> >> as a style tag, and a "style name with which to replace it"
> >> as plain text, then checks "replace stylename", just
> what is the
> >> intent? Is the user intending to replace style tags in the
> document
> >> with plain text? With "replace stylename"
> >> checked, that's never what DBT will do.
> >>
> >> So we deliberately stopped short of handling the "mixed entry
> method"
> >> case that you cite, for fear that we'd otherwise be doing
> something
> >> that the user wasn't expecting. Perhaps with Undo available,
> that's
> >> not such a big deal.
> >>
> >> Anyhow, I have some choices for you (and others who
> may care to
> >> express an opinion). Shall we:
> >> 1. Just go ahead and replace the one style with the other,
> despite
> >> the odd data entry,
> >> 2. Warn the user about the apparent inconsistency,
> and go ahead
> with
> >> the replacement if the user confirms it, or
> >> 3. Just clean up the error message?
> >>
> >> - Peter
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Joanmarie
> Diggs
> >> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:23 PM
> >> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: [duxhelp] Finding and replacing styles
> >>
> >> Hi all. With respect to this fix:
> >> ---
> >> DBT's Find and Replace dialogs are more flexible about
> understanding a
> >> user's intent to search for or replace styles. It is
> now possible
> to
> >> use Control-< to enter the style as a tag and check the
> "Find/Replace
> >> style"
> >> checkbox.
> >> ---
> >> If you:
> >> 1. manually insert a style with Control-< 2. put a
> non-style in
> the
> >> replace with edit box 3. check the replace stylename checkbox
> >>
> >> You still get the error dialog. The error message isn't very
> pretty
> >> either.
> >> Here is the screen shot of the dialog that appeared
> when I tried
> to
> >> replace the para style with the linefeed code --
> both of which
> were
> >> manually entered.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> And for the benefit of screen reader users, here is the text
> (which I
> >> would read with all punctuation turned on -- also note the
> >> non-printing character that appears after each open quotation
> -- JAWS
> >> says it's "character 28")
> >>
> >> There is no style defined with the name "es~para..
> Are you sure
> you
> >> want to replace all occurrences of the style
> "es~para. with "l?
> >>
> >> Take care.
> >> Joanie
> >>
> >>
> >>
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