Just a follow up, today I lengthened the traces a hole and drove the pair again. I found it a bit loose and sloppy, that two inches makes a big difference! But I did have a great drive with them, their dressage is coming along. The figure eights really help. I guess in the marathon carriage they are just going to have to watch their noses! It is mainly on the turns, the outside horse has the longest curve and bends to the inside over the crab and of course the inside horse is bent away from the pole, so no problem with the inside horse on the turns. Somehow I don't think this will be a problem on the presentation carriage where I use pole straps on a smaller crab. I haven't had the young guy on that carriage yet, and have no need to until we start doing more serious shows. Cheers, Debbie -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/531 - Release Date: 11/12/2006 _________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe, change to Digest or Vacation mode go to: http://www.drivingpairs.com/index.php?pg=2 `````````````````````````````````````````````````````````