[Debatewise RRT] Re: extra friday debates!
- From: nadia siddiqi <nadshi@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: debatewiserrt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 11:10:40 +0200
Bea,
I'll publish the debate now and you can add points, whenever.
Nadia
P.S Is there a side you prefer?
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Beatrice Forrest
<bmpforrest@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
> Hi Nadia
>
> I was about to request the art beauty one. Let me know if you need another
> perspective and I would be happy to help!
>
> Thanks
> Bea
>
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 12:22 PM, <macmarie123@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'll take the climategate one, if no-one is doing it already.
>>
>> Marie
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nadia siddiqi <nadshi@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: debatewiserrt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Sent: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:05
>> Subject: [Debatewise RRT] Re: extra friday debates!
>>
>> I'm dropping osama/obama
>> and taking these two instead:
>>
>> *England got an easy draw for the world cup.*
>> England has been drawn against USA, Slovenia and Algeria in the world cup.
>> This seems like an easy group. It is certainly not a group of death. However
>> if a team wants to win the world cup they have to face the difficult teams
>> eventually so does it matter?
>>
>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/dec/04/england-world-cup-2010?CMP=AFCYAH
>>
>> http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/finaldraw/news/newsid=1143550.html#england+hope+avoid+us+repeat
>>
>> *Art needs beauty.*
>> Until the twentieth century Art was mostly about beauty or perfection. Art
>> had to stand apart from everyday life and give someone pause. Art has
>> however morphed into including ugly things, or everyday items that are
>> simply classed as 'art' because someone says it is. How are the critics
>> taken in by this! should there be certain minimum standards for something to
>> qualify as art?
>>
>> http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/the-saturday-essay-our-modern-age-requires-a-new-definition-of-beauty-1073410.html
>> http://www.rep.routledge.com/article/M046
>> http://www.objectivistcenter.org/showcontent.aspx?ct=958&h=53
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 4:35 PM, nadia siddiqi <nadshi@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> I'll take Osama (read something relevant on the Michael Moore & BBC
>>> websites) and art beauty.
>>>
>>> Nadia
>>> weekend debates are easier to get, Richard
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Richard Speight <rspeight@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>
>>>> First one in a while seeing as everyone usually takes em within 3
>>>> minutes!
>>>>
>>>> Can I take Turkey and the EU?
>>>>
>>>> Rich
>>>>
>>>> 2009/12/5 Ian Rosmarin <ianrosmarin@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>
>>>> Alex give me the German one about the stazi.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yours Ian Rosmarin
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> *From:* Colin Helling <cohelling@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> *To:* debatewiserrt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> *Sent:* Fri, 4 December, 2009 23:42:28
>>>>> *Subject:* [Debatewise RRT] extra friday debates!
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I promised a more debates than I usually do on a friday so here you go.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please do also mail back any ideas about how we can change things to
>>>>> allow everyone to have more of a role rather than having to rely on the
>>>>> lottery of getting a debate. I will consider Ideas, probably over
>>>>> christmas.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alex
>>>>>
>>>>> *If Osama is in Afghanistan then the USA needs to put more resources
>>>>> into hunting him.*
>>>>> Pakistan has claimed that they have captured a militant who met someone
>>>>> who met Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan at the beginning of the year. We
>>>>> have
>>>>> generally believed that Osama is in Pakistan and it is up to them to
>>>>> capture
>>>>> him, perhaps with the help of some drones. If however he is in Afghanistan
>>>>> the surge announced this week provides the perfect opportunity to hunt him
>>>>> down, should we bother trying?
>>>>> http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/KL05Df03.html
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/bin-laden-not-in-our-country-says-pakistan-1833831.html
>>>>> *
>>>>> http://www.cfr.org/publication/20877/assessing_the_afghan_surge.html?breadcrumb=%2F
>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>> *England got an easy draw for the world cup.*
>>>>> England has been drawn against USA, Slovenia and Algeria in the world
>>>>> cup. This seems like an easy group. It is certainly not a group of death.
>>>>> However if a team wants to win the world cup they have to face the
>>>>> difficult
>>>>> teams eventually so does it matter?
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/dec/04/england-world-cup-2010?CMP=AFCYAH
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/finaldraw/news/newsid=1143550.html#england+hope+avoid+us+repeat
>>>>>
>>>>> *Art needs beauty.*
>>>>> Until the twentieth century Art was mostly about beauty or perfection.
>>>>> Art had to stand apart from everyday life and give someone pause. Art has
>>>>> however morphed into including ugly things, or everyday items that are
>>>>> simply classed as 'art' because someone says it is. How are the critics
>>>>> taken in by this! should there be certain minimum standards for something
>>>>> to
>>>>> qualify as art?
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/the-saturday-essay-our-modern-age-requires-a-new-definition-of-beauty-1073410.html
>>>>> http://www.rep.routledge.com/article/M046
>>>>> http://www.objectivistcenter.org/showcontent.aspx?ct=958&h=53
>>>>>
>>>>> *Should Turkey keep striving to join the EU?*
>>>>> The EU, especially France, Germany and Austria are determined to keep
>>>>> Turkey out of the EU, they draw out negotiations constantly while trying
>>>>> to
>>>>> maintain the illusion that eventually Turkey might get in to the club.
>>>>> Turkey however has other options, indeed Turkey may be more needed by
>>>>> Europe
>>>>> than it needs Europe. Turkey is a gateway between East and West, a transit
>>>>> hub for oil and gas and the moderate face of Islam. Turkey can go
>>>>> elsewhere,
>>>>> she is already part of NATO, has ethnic ties with Central Asia and is
>>>>> developing relations with Iran. Increasingly the population of Turkey no
>>>>> longer rates joining a declining EU quite so highly.
>>>>> http://www.news.az/articles/3855
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.europesworld.org/NewEnglish/Home_old/CommunityPosts/tabid/809/PostID/852/TheNatureofTurkeysForeignPolicyandtheMiddleEast.aspx
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/6223612/Will-Turkeys-EU-membership-dream-come-true.html
>>>>> http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/KK10Ak01.html
>>>>>
>>>>> *Does it matter if some East German politicians and civil servants are
>>>>> former stazi informants?*
>>>>> There were over 150,000 stazi informants, almost one in a hundred in a
>>>>> population of 16 million. In a totalitarian state it is normal to be
>>>>> willing
>>>>> to spy for the state. Those who did so may well have been doing so for
>>>>> patriotic reasons. That they were wrong does not mean that they should
>>>>> have
>>>>> future careers ruined by it. Victims however are outraged by such people
>>>>> not
>>>>> being punished in any way, indeed managing to hold onto senior and
>>>>> powerful
>>>>> positions.
>>>>> http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,665059,00.html
>>>>> http://www.dwelle.de/dw/article/0,,4467750,00.html
>>>>> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601085&sid=ahJS4..noyn8
>>>>>
>>>>> *With 'climategate' does the debate on climate change need to be
>>>>> reopened?*
>>>>> Less than a week before the beginning of the copenhagen conference that
>>>>> aims to keep global warming below a 2 degrees rise the head of the
>>>>> University of East Anglia's climatic research unit has been revealed to
>>>>> have
>>>>> been attempting to suppress contradictory data. The skeptics are crowing
>>>>> and
>>>>> are demanding the debate be reopened. Does this reduce the consensus that
>>>>> climate change is happening?
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6936328.ecehttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/6679082/Climate-change-this-is-the-worst-scientific-scandal-of-our-generation.html
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/04/flat-earth-climate-change-copenhagen
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Work done with anxiety about results is far inferior to work done without
>>> such anxiety, in the calm of self-surrender. Seek refuge in the knowledge of
>>> Brahman. They who work selfishly for results are miserable. --"Bhagavad
>>> Gita."
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Work done with anxiety about results is far inferior to work done without
>> such anxiety, in the calm of self-surrender. Seek refuge in the knowledge of
>> Brahman. They who work selfishly for results are miserable. --"Bhagavad
>> Gita."
>>
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