[Debatewise RRT] Re: extra friday debates!
- From: Beatrice Forrest <bmpforrest@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: debatewiserrt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 12:30:54 +0000
Hi Nadia
I was about to request the art beauty one. Let me know if you need another
perspective and I would be happy to help!
Thanks
Bea
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 12:22 PM, <macmarie123@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'll take the climategate one, if no-one is doing it already.
>
> Marie
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nadia siddiqi <nadshi@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: debatewiserrt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:05
> Subject: [Debatewise RRT] Re: extra friday debates!
>
> I'm dropping osama/obama
> and taking these two instead:
>
> *England got an easy draw for the world cup.*
> England has been drawn against USA, Slovenia and Algeria in the world cup.
> This seems like an easy group. It is certainly not a group of death. However
> if a team wants to win the world cup they have to face the difficult teams
> eventually so does it matter?
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/dec/04/england-world-cup-2010?CMP=AFCYAH
>
> http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/finaldraw/news/newsid=1143550.html#england+hope+avoid+us+repeat
>
> *Art needs beauty.*
> Until the twentieth century Art was mostly about beauty or perfection. Art
> had to stand apart from everyday life and give someone pause. Art has
> however morphed into including ugly things, or everyday items that are
> simply classed as 'art' because someone says it is. How are the critics
> taken in by this! should there be certain minimum standards for something to
> qualify as art?
>
> http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/the-saturday-essay-our-modern-age-requires-a-new-definition-of-beauty-1073410.html
> http://www.rep.routledge.com/article/M046
> http://www.objectivistcenter.org/showcontent.aspx?ct=958&h=53
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 4:35 PM, nadia siddiqi <nadshi@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> I'll take Osama (read something relevant on the Michael Moore & BBC
>> websites) and art beauty.
>>
>> Nadia
>> weekend debates are easier to get, Richard
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Richard Speight <rspeight@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>
>>> First one in a while seeing as everyone usually takes em within 3
>>> minutes!
>>>
>>> Can I take Turkey and the EU?
>>>
>>> Rich
>>>
>>> 2009/12/5 Ian Rosmarin <ianrosmarin@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>
>>> Alex give me the German one about the stazi.
>>>>
>>>> Yours Ian Rosmarin
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> *From:* Colin Helling <cohelling@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> *To:* debatewiserrt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> *Sent:* Fri, 4 December, 2009 23:42:28
>>>> *Subject:* [Debatewise RRT] extra friday debates!
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I promised a more debates than I usually do on a friday so here you go.
>>>>
>>>> Please do also mail back any ideas about how we can change things to
>>>> allow everyone to have more of a role rather than having to rely on the
>>>> lottery of getting a debate. I will consider Ideas, probably over
>>>> christmas.
>>>>
>>>> Alex
>>>>
>>>> *If Osama is in Afghanistan then the USA needs to put more resources
>>>> into hunting him.*
>>>> Pakistan has claimed that they have captured a militant who met someone
>>>> who met Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan at the beginning of the year. We
>>>> have
>>>> generally believed that Osama is in Pakistan and it is up to them to
>>>> capture
>>>> him, perhaps with the help of some drones. If however he is in Afghanistan
>>>> the surge announced this week provides the perfect opportunity to hunt him
>>>> down, should we bother trying?
>>>> http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/KL05Df03.html
>>>>
>>>> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/bin-laden-not-in-our-country-says-pakistan-1833831.html
>>>> *
>>>> http://www.cfr.org/publication/20877/assessing_the_afghan_surge.html?breadcrumb=%2F
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>> *England got an easy draw for the world cup.*
>>>> England has been drawn against USA, Slovenia and Algeria in the world
>>>> cup. This seems like an easy group. It is certainly not a group of death.
>>>> However if a team wants to win the world cup they have to face the
>>>> difficult
>>>> teams eventually so does it matter?
>>>>
>>>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/dec/04/england-world-cup-2010?CMP=AFCYAH
>>>>
>>>> http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/finaldraw/news/newsid=1143550.html#england+hope+avoid+us+repeat
>>>>
>>>> *Art needs beauty.*
>>>> Until the twentieth century Art was mostly about beauty or perfection.
>>>> Art had to stand apart from everyday life and give someone pause. Art has
>>>> however morphed into including ugly things, or everyday items that are
>>>> simply classed as 'art' because someone says it is. How are the critics
>>>> taken in by this! should there be certain minimum standards for something
>>>> to
>>>> qualify as art?
>>>>
>>>> http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/the-saturday-essay-our-modern-age-requires-a-new-definition-of-beauty-1073410.html
>>>> http://www.rep.routledge.com/article/M046
>>>> http://www.objectivistcenter.org/showcontent.aspx?ct=958&h=53
>>>>
>>>> *Should Turkey keep striving to join the EU?*
>>>> The EU, especially France, Germany and Austria are determined to keep
>>>> Turkey out of the EU, they draw out negotiations constantly while trying to
>>>> maintain the illusion that eventually Turkey might get in to the club.
>>>> Turkey however has other options, indeed Turkey may be more needed by
>>>> Europe
>>>> than it needs Europe. Turkey is a gateway between East and West, a transit
>>>> hub for oil and gas and the moderate face of Islam. Turkey can go
>>>> elsewhere,
>>>> she is already part of NATO, has ethnic ties with Central Asia and is
>>>> developing relations with Iran. Increasingly the population of Turkey no
>>>> longer rates joining a declining EU quite so highly.
>>>> http://www.news.az/articles/3855
>>>>
>>>> http://www.europesworld.org/NewEnglish/Home_old/CommunityPosts/tabid/809/PostID/852/TheNatureofTurkeysForeignPolicyandtheMiddleEast.aspx
>>>>
>>>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/6223612/Will-Turkeys-EU-membership-dream-come-true.html
>>>> http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/KK10Ak01.html
>>>>
>>>> *Does it matter if some East German politicians and civil servants are
>>>> former stazi informants?*
>>>> There were over 150,000 stazi informants, almost one in a hundred in a
>>>> population of 16 million. In a totalitarian state it is normal to be
>>>> willing
>>>> to spy for the state. Those who did so may well have been doing so for
>>>> patriotic reasons. That they were wrong does not mean that they should have
>>>> future careers ruined by it. Victims however are outraged by such people
>>>> not
>>>> being punished in any way, indeed managing to hold onto senior and powerful
>>>> positions.
>>>> http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,665059,00.html
>>>> http://www.dwelle.de/dw/article/0,,4467750,00.html
>>>> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601085&sid=ahJS4..noyn8
>>>>
>>>> *With 'climategate' does the debate on climate change need to be
>>>> reopened?*
>>>> Less than a week before the beginning of the copenhagen conference that
>>>> aims to keep global warming below a 2 degrees rise the head of the
>>>> University of East Anglia's climatic research unit has been revealed to
>>>> have
>>>> been attempting to suppress contradictory data. The skeptics are crowing
>>>> and
>>>> are demanding the debate be reopened. Does this reduce the consensus that
>>>> climate change is happening?
>>>>
>>>> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6936328.ecehttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/6679082/Climate-change-this-is-the-worst-scientific-scandal-of-our-generation.html
>>>>
>>>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/04/flat-earth-climate-change-copenhagen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Work done with anxiety about results is far inferior to work done without
>> such anxiety, in the calm of self-surrender. Seek refuge in the knowledge of
>> Brahman. They who work selfishly for results are miserable. --"Bhagavad
>> Gita."
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Work done with anxiety about results is far inferior to work done without
> such anxiety, in the calm of self-surrender. Seek refuge in the knowledge of
> Brahman. They who work selfishly for results are miserable. --"Bhagavad
> Gita."
>
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