First one in a while seeing as everyone usually takes em within 3 minutes! Can I take Turkey and the EU? Rich 2009/12/5 Ian Rosmarin <ianrosmarin@xxxxxxxxxxx> > Alex give me the German one about the stazi. > > Yours Ian Rosmarin > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Colin Helling <cohelling@xxxxxxxxx> > *To:* debatewiserrt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > *Sent:* Fri, 4 December, 2009 23:42:28 > *Subject:* [Debatewise RRT] extra friday debates! > > Hi, > > I promised a more debates than I usually do on a friday so here you go. > > Please do also mail back any ideas about how we can change things to allow > everyone to have more of a role rather than having to rely on the lottery of > getting a debate. I will consider Ideas, probably over christmas. > > Alex > > *If Osama is in Afghanistan then the USA needs to put more resources into > hunting him.* > Pakistan has claimed that they have captured a militant who met someone who > met Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan at the beginning of the year. We have > generally believed that Osama is in Pakistan and it is up to them to capture > him, perhaps with the help of some drones. If however he is in Afghanistan > the surge announced this week provides the perfect opportunity to hunt him > down, should we bother trying? > http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/KL05Df03.html > > http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/bin-laden-not-in-our-country-says-pakistan-1833831.html > * > http://www.cfr.org/publication/20877/assessing_the_afghan_surge.html?breadcrumb=%2F > * > > *England got an easy draw for the world cup.* > England has been drawn against USA, Slovenia and Algeria in the world cup. > This seems like an easy group. It is certainly not a group of death. However > if a team wants to win the world cup they have to face the difficult teams > eventually so does it matter? > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/dec/04/england-world-cup-2010?CMP=AFCYAH > > http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/finaldraw/news/newsid=1143550.html#england+hope+avoid+us+repeat > > *Art needs beauty.* > Until the twentieth century Art was mostly about beauty or perfection. Art > had to stand apart from everyday life and give someone pause. Art has > however morphed into including ugly things, or everyday items that are > simply classed as 'art' because someone says it is. How are the critics > taken in by this! should there be certain minimum standards for something to > qualify as art? > > http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/the-saturday-essay-our-modern-age-requires-a-new-definition-of-beauty-1073410.html > http://www.rep.routledge.com/article/M046 > http://www.objectivistcenter.org/showcontent.aspx?ct=958&h=53 > > *Should Turkey keep striving to join the EU?* > The EU, especially France, Germany and Austria are determined to keep > Turkey out of the EU, they draw out negotiations constantly while trying to > maintain the illusion that eventually Turkey might get in to the club. > Turkey however has other options, indeed Turkey may be more needed by Europe > than it needs Europe. Turkey is a gateway between East and West, a transit > hub for oil and gas and the moderate face of Islam. Turkey can go elsewhere, > she is already part of NATO, has ethnic ties with Central Asia and is > developing relations with Iran. Increasingly the population of Turkey no > longer rates joining a declining EU quite so highly. > http://www.news.az/articles/3855 > > http://www.europesworld.org/NewEnglish/Home_old/CommunityPosts/tabid/809/PostID/852/TheNatureofTurkeysForeignPolicyandtheMiddleEast.aspx > > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/6223612/Will-Turkeys-EU-membership-dream-come-true.html > http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/KK10Ak01.html > > *Does it matter if some East German politicians and civil servants are > former stazi informants?* > There were over 150,000 stazi informants, almost one in a hundred in a > population of 16 million. In a totalitarian state it is normal to be willing > to spy for the state. Those who did so may well have been doing so for > patriotic reasons. That they were wrong does not mean that they should have > future careers ruined by it. Victims however are outraged by such people not > being punished in any way, indeed managing to hold onto senior and powerful > positions. > http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,665059,00.html > http://www.dwelle.de/dw/article/0,,4467750,00.html > http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601085&sid=ahJS4..noyn8 > > *With 'climategate' does the debate on climate change need to be reopened? > * > Less than a week before the beginning of the copenhagen conference that > aims to keep global warming below a 2 degrees rise the head of the > University of East Anglia's climatic research unit has been revealed to have > been attempting to suppress contradictory data. The skeptics are crowing and > are demanding the debate be reopened. Does this reduce the consensus that > climate change is happening? > > http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6936328.ecehttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/6679082/Climate-change-this-is-the-worst-scientific-scandal-of-our-generation.html > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/04/flat-earth-climate-change-copenhagen > > > >