[Debatewise RRT] Re: extra friday debates!

  • From: Richard Speight <rspeight@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: debatewiserrt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 10:31:09 +0000

First one in a while seeing as everyone usually takes em within 3 minutes!

Can I take Turkey and the EU?

Rich

2009/12/5 Ian Rosmarin <ianrosmarin@xxxxxxxxxxx>

> Alex give me the German one about the stazi.
>
> Yours Ian Rosmarin
>
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> *From:* Colin Helling <cohelling@xxxxxxxxx>
> *To:* debatewiserrt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Sent:* Fri, 4 December, 2009 23:42:28
> *Subject:* [Debatewise RRT] extra friday debates!
>
>   Hi,
>
> I promised a more debates than I usually do on a friday so here you go.
>
> Please do also mail back any ideas about how we can change things to allow
> everyone to have more of a role rather than having to rely on the lottery of
> getting a debate. I will consider Ideas, probably over christmas.
>
> Alex
>
> *If Osama is in Afghanistan then the USA needs to put more resources into
> hunting him.*
> Pakistan has claimed that they have captured a militant who met someone who
> met Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan at the beginning of the year. We have
> generally believed that Osama is in Pakistan and it is up to them to capture
> him, perhaps with the help of some drones. If however he is in Afghanistan
> the surge announced this week provides the perfect opportunity to hunt him
> down, should we bother trying?
> http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/KL05Df03.html
>
> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/bin-laden-not-in-our-country-says-pakistan-1833831.html
> *
> http://www.cfr.org/publication/20877/assessing_the_afghan_surge.html?breadcrumb=%2F
> *
>
> *England got an easy draw for the world cup.*
> England has been drawn against USA, Slovenia and Algeria in the world cup.
> This seems like an easy group. It is certainly not a group of death. However
> if a team wants to win the world cup they have to face the difficult teams
> eventually so does it matter?
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/dec/04/england-world-cup-2010?CMP=AFCYAH
>
> http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/finaldraw/news/newsid=1143550.html#england+hope+avoid+us+repeat
>
> *Art needs beauty.*
> Until the twentieth century Art was mostly about beauty or perfection. Art
> had to stand apart from everyday life and give someone pause. Art has
> however morphed into including ugly things, or everyday items that are
> simply classed as 'art' because someone says it is. How are the critics
> taken in by this! should there be certain minimum standards for something to
> qualify as art?
>
> http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/the-saturday-essay-our-modern-age-requires-a-new-definition-of-beauty-1073410.html
> http://www.rep.routledge.com/article/M046
> http://www.objectivistcenter.org/showcontent.aspx?ct=958&h=53
>
> *Should Turkey keep striving to join the EU?*
> The EU, especially France, Germany and Austria are determined to keep
> Turkey out of the EU, they draw out negotiations constantly while trying to
> maintain the illusion that eventually Turkey might get in to the club.
> Turkey however has other options, indeed Turkey may be more needed by Europe
> than it needs Europe. Turkey is a gateway between East and West, a transit
> hub for oil and gas and the moderate face of Islam. Turkey can go elsewhere,
> she is already part of NATO, has ethnic ties with Central Asia and is
> developing relations with Iran. Increasingly the population of Turkey no
> longer rates joining a declining EU quite so highly.
> http://www.news.az/articles/3855
>
> http://www.europesworld.org/NewEnglish/Home_old/CommunityPosts/tabid/809/PostID/852/TheNatureofTurkeysForeignPolicyandtheMiddleEast.aspx
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/6223612/Will-Turkeys-EU-membership-dream-come-true.html
> http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/KK10Ak01.html
>
> *Does it matter if some East German politicians and civil servants are
> former stazi informants?*
> There were over 150,000 stazi informants, almost one in a hundred in a
> population of 16 million. In a totalitarian state it is normal to be willing
> to spy for the state. Those who did so may well have been doing so for
> patriotic reasons. That they were wrong does not mean that they should have
> future careers ruined by it. Victims however are outraged by such people not
> being punished in any way, indeed managing to hold onto senior and powerful
> positions.
> http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,665059,00.html
> http://www.dwelle.de/dw/article/0,,4467750,00.html
> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601085&sid=ahJS4..noyn8
>
> *With 'climategate' does the debate on climate change need to be reopened?
> *
> Less than a week before the beginning of the copenhagen conference that
> aims to keep global warming below a 2 degrees rise the head of the
> University of East Anglia's climatic research unit has been revealed to have
> been attempting to suppress contradictory data. The skeptics are crowing and
> are demanding the debate be reopened. Does this reduce the consensus that
> climate change is happening?
>
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6936328.ecehttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/6679082/Climate-change-this-is-the-worst-scientific-scandal-of-our-generation.html
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/04/flat-earth-climate-change-copenhagen
>
>
>
>

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