[Debatewise RRT] Re: extra friday debates!
- From: nadia siddiqi <nadshi@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: debatewiserrt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 15:05:20 +0500
I'm dropping osama/obama
and taking these two instead:
*England got an easy draw for the world cup.*
England has been drawn against USA, Slovenia and Algeria in the world cup.
This seems like an easy group. It is certainly not a group of death. However
if a team wants to win the world cup they have to face the difficult teams
eventually so does it matter?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/dec/04/england-world-cup-2010?CMP=AFCYAH
http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/finaldraw/news/newsid=1143550.html#england+hope+avoid+us+repeat
*Art needs beauty.*
Until the twentieth century Art was mostly about beauty or perfection. Art
had to stand apart from everyday life and give someone pause. Art has
however morphed into including ugly things, or everyday items that are
simply classed as 'art' because someone says it is. How are the critics
taken in by this! should there be certain minimum standards for something to
qualify as art?
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/the-saturday-essay-our-modern-age-requires-a-new-definition-of-beauty-1073410.html
http://www.rep.routledge.com/article/M046
http://www.objectivistcenter.org/showcontent.aspx?ct=958&h=53
On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 4:35 PM, nadia siddiqi <nadshi@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I'll take Osama (read something relevant on the Michael Moore & BBC
> websites) and art beauty.
>
> Nadia
> weekend debates are easier to get, Richard
>
> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Richard Speight <rspeight@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>
>> First one in a while seeing as everyone usually takes em within 3 minutes!
>>
>> Can I take Turkey and the EU?
>>
>> Rich
>>
>> 2009/12/5 Ian Rosmarin <ianrosmarin@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>
>> Alex give me the German one about the stazi.
>>>
>>> Yours Ian Rosmarin
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Colin Helling <cohelling@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> *To:* debatewiserrt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> *Sent:* Fri, 4 December, 2009 23:42:28
>>> *Subject:* [Debatewise RRT] extra friday debates!
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I promised a more debates than I usually do on a friday so here you go.
>>>
>>> Please do also mail back any ideas about how we can change things to
>>> allow everyone to have more of a role rather than having to rely on the
>>> lottery of getting a debate. I will consider Ideas, probably over christmas.
>>>
>>> Alex
>>>
>>> *If Osama is in Afghanistan then the USA needs to put more resources
>>> into hunting him.*
>>> Pakistan has claimed that they have captured a militant who met someone
>>> who met Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan at the beginning of the year. We have
>>> generally believed that Osama is in Pakistan and it is up to them to capture
>>> him, perhaps with the help of some drones. If however he is in Afghanistan
>>> the surge announced this week provides the perfect opportunity to hunt him
>>> down, should we bother trying?
>>> http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/KL05Df03.html
>>>
>>> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/bin-laden-not-in-our-country-says-pakistan-1833831.html
>>> *
>>> http://www.cfr.org/publication/20877/assessing_the_afghan_surge.html?breadcrumb=%2F
>>> *
>>>
>>> *England got an easy draw for the world cup.*
>>> England has been drawn against USA, Slovenia and Algeria in the world
>>> cup. This seems like an easy group. It is certainly not a group of death.
>>> However if a team wants to win the world cup they have to face the difficult
>>> teams eventually so does it matter?
>>>
>>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/dec/04/england-world-cup-2010?CMP=AFCYAH
>>>
>>> http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/finaldraw/news/newsid=1143550.html#england+hope+avoid+us+repeat
>>>
>>> *Art needs beauty.*
>>> Until the twentieth century Art was mostly about beauty or perfection.
>>> Art had to stand apart from everyday life and give someone pause. Art has
>>> however morphed into including ugly things, or everyday items that are
>>> simply classed as 'art' because someone says it is. How are the critics
>>> taken in by this! should there be certain minimum standards for something to
>>> qualify as art?
>>>
>>> http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/the-saturday-essay-our-modern-age-requires-a-new-definition-of-beauty-1073410.html
>>> http://www.rep.routledge.com/article/M046
>>> http://www.objectivistcenter.org/showcontent.aspx?ct=958&h=53
>>>
>>> *Should Turkey keep striving to join the EU?*
>>> The EU, especially France, Germany and Austria are determined to keep
>>> Turkey out of the EU, they draw out negotiations constantly while trying to
>>> maintain the illusion that eventually Turkey might get in to the club.
>>> Turkey however has other options, indeed Turkey may be more needed by Europe
>>> than it needs Europe. Turkey is a gateway between East and West, a transit
>>> hub for oil and gas and the moderate face of Islam. Turkey can go elsewhere,
>>> she is already part of NATO, has ethnic ties with Central Asia and is
>>> developing relations with Iran. Increasingly the population of Turkey no
>>> longer rates joining a declining EU quite so highly.
>>> http://www.news.az/articles/3855
>>>
>>> http://www.europesworld.org/NewEnglish/Home_old/CommunityPosts/tabid/809/PostID/852/TheNatureofTurkeysForeignPolicyandtheMiddleEast.aspx
>>>
>>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/6223612/Will-Turkeys-EU-membership-dream-come-true.html
>>> http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/KK10Ak01.html
>>>
>>> *Does it matter if some East German politicians and civil servants are
>>> former stazi informants?*
>>> There were over 150,000 stazi informants, almost one in a hundred in a
>>> population of 16 million. In a totalitarian state it is normal to be willing
>>> to spy for the state. Those who did so may well have been doing so for
>>> patriotic reasons. That they were wrong does not mean that they should have
>>> future careers ruined by it. Victims however are outraged by such people not
>>> being punished in any way, indeed managing to hold onto senior and powerful
>>> positions.
>>> http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,665059,00.html
>>> http://www.dwelle.de/dw/article/0,,4467750,00.html
>>> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601085&sid=ahJS4..noyn8
>>>
>>> *With 'climategate' does the debate on climate change need to be
>>> reopened?*
>>> Less than a week before the beginning of the copenhagen conference that
>>> aims to keep global warming below a 2 degrees rise the head of the
>>> University of East Anglia's climatic research unit has been revealed to have
>>> been attempting to suppress contradictory data. The skeptics are crowing and
>>> are demanding the debate be reopened. Does this reduce the consensus that
>>> climate change is happening?
>>>
>>> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6936328.ecehttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/6679082/Climate-change-this-is-the-worst-scientific-scandal-of-our-generation.html
>>>
>>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/04/flat-earth-climate-change-copenhagen
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Work done with anxiety about results is far inferior to work done without
> such anxiety, in the calm of self-surrender. Seek refuge in the knowledge of
> Brahman. They who work selfishly for results are miserable. --"Bhagavad
> Gita."
>
--
Work done with anxiety about results is far inferior to work done without
such anxiety, in the calm of self-surrender. Seek refuge in the knowledge of
Brahman. They who work selfishly for results are miserable. --"Bhagavad
Gita."
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