The summary version this message is that it would be better to byte the bullet,
forego trying to get a free upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10 and just buy
the exact stuff needed directly from Microsoft. You will be about $100
poorer, and azillion hassles richer. Now, no one but the adventurous need read
any further, but here is the scopp for those who just can't stop themselves...
Nick,
Got the message that Jack has this worked out with another... and he said not
to worry about it, so I'm taking it off my mind.
However, I have spent hours through google and on the MS site with that
specific question... Can one upgrade for free from 7 to 10?
I know less now than before all those hours. Basically, Google sends you to
the "Microsoft community..." and MS very clearly says they no longer support
Windows 7 as of January 14th, 2020, and there is no more FREE upgrade.
All the places to download a Win7 Pro upgrade are to non supported things.
There are many issues. One guy asks if the upgrade he once downloaded to a
memory stick will still upgrade his Windows 7 to Windows 10 if he has wiped his
Win 7 drive clean? I, and everyone else even Microsoft, pretty much ignores
these extra dumb questions. But Microsoft even ignores the legitimate
questions of can I still get the free upgrade to Windows 10 if I have 5 Windows
7 machines that I didn't upgrade when it was free? again, the questioner is
sent out to the nether regions of the "Microsoft community".
I believe the best working answer is... you can try to obtain an older,
non-supported download of the upgrade from 7 to 10, but most likely when it
runs, it is not going to complete the upgrade successfully. Why? Because
without a "license", all of the updates that are controlled by MS from start
to finish will not be provided.
There is still probably a questionaire somewhere that might in some long
complicated path lead you to a special "dispensation" to upgrade your Windows 7
to Windows 10, but how many people have been in a coma for the past 5 years and
now just woke up through the use of a miracle drug? That is no doubt the only
reason that might skate by for not availing one's self of the original upgrade
deal which was supposed to only fly for a year, and ended up being provided for
a much longer period anyway.
If one gives up the "free" idea, and decide to just buy whatever is necessary,
you are still deluged with thousands of offers... you will see pricing from
$39 to $299 and all sorts of the various versions, Home, Pro, Enterprise...
single user and more... again, a zillion rabbit holes.
I'll tell you what, I just called the disability line direct and asked for the
definitive answer from Microsoft. I wanted to know if I could just purchase
directly from Microsoft whatever is needed to upgrade Windows 7 to Windows 10,
and where exactly on their site can I do that? This of course, is much easier
than going to a Microsoft Store, especially these days...
It is as you would think. First and foremost, as always, one needs to purchase
the license". This depends on which version of Win 7 you are starting with
Home, for example can NOT be upgraded directly, assuming you want to move to
the Pro version. You have to install Windows 0 from some media prepared in all
the different ways available. Put the download on a stick, etc.
If it is a Pro machine and you want to move to the Windows 10 Pro version, this
*can* be done in place. Just buy the license, and the digital download, and you
are off to the races by following the instructions. Your Windows 7 machine's
Windows 7 stuff is all put into a windows.old folder. (not sure of the exact
naming) But, this information is really not guaranteed reliable, or
recoverable, so be sure to do that big backup before starting.
The prices are all there on the Microsoft site, and you will at least be sure
of getting supported Microsoft product. (In looking for other "upgrades" from 7
to 10, I saw everything in the world including "genuine" MS version, and "real"
Microsoft programs... Good God, I wonder who thought up the idea of calling
their scam the "real" thing. Do they actually sell some of this stuff? People
must want to save money really badly.
All I can say is, I just put in a lot of time trying to determine if there was
an easy, and FREE path to doing this trick... still, no one who is using Sonar
8.5 and CakeTalking 8.8 would ever want to do the upgrade just now... because
CakeTalking will NOT work right on Windows 10!
However, if you do have a need to upgrade a machine, just go buy the license
and download from Microsoft directly. Byte the bullet and spend the money it
costs. It will be so worth it in the short and long run.
No one has to take my advice on this, but I do have some considerable
experience in this area. I owned a computer company in the early 80s, at the
height of the PC explosion. Though blind, alongside my employees, training each
of them myself, I think at last count, I had personally built about 1500
machines from scratch. and that is at a time when nothing even began to work
unless every jumper was in the right place, not only on the motherboard, but on
the cards as well. We were an authorized Microsoft OEM, and I used to build
network images to load the O/S onto similar machines more easily. Even with all
of that done just right, there were situations where help and support from MS
was denied to our end users if everything wasn't done exactly right. And I
don't blame them a bit for this.
Now, after about 4 decades, with their developing this 10 platform as a hedge
against all the piracy and charlatanism that is out there, not too mention
whole countries ignoring copyrights, trademarks and worldwide patent
agreements... I'm one of the strange ones who wants such providers to stay in
business. They deliver value for the price and that is all there is to it.
Upgrading free is no longer a safe option, not really... if one purchases a
legitimate license, and reliable copy of 10, there shouldn't be any problems,
and that will be good enough for me when I'm ready to not keep at least one
Sonar/CT machine that works perfectly.
I may still continue to explore and experiment with newer DAW software that
will work on 10 and future versions of the O/S, but, Time, not anything else
becomes the deciding factor as one (like me),moves into their ninth decade! 😊
/john
P.S. Funny, while I feel like I'm about 35 or 40 years old, I was born in
1949, and that means I have lived in 9 decades so far. I was shocked to count
them... the 40s, 50s,60s,70s,80s,90s,00s,10s,and now the 20s! I better stop
writing, before I fall over from the effort!
-----Original Message-----
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of
nickdotson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 11:33 AM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: question
I've read recently that the "free Win10" upgrades are still available from
Microsoft, but having no Win 7 machines, haven't bothered further
investigations.
-----Original Message-----
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of
john@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 12:13 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: question
Jack,
I would be careful about this, but not too careful.
Early on, when Windows 10 was FREE and Microsoft wanted everyone to move to the
new platform, they offered this free upgrade continually and at every possible
junction. Instead of updating your Windows 7, it would *convert* you and
*upgrade* you to Windows10. Obviously, you must not let this happen.
However, it has been a couple/three years since the huge Windows 10 forced
migration. I believe it is over, and they have clearly decided that 10 is the
new starting point... Not only that they have deprecated Windows 7 to being
absolutely unsupported anymore, but I do not think they force an upgrade to
Windows 10 anymore either.
If your notice says upgrades are available and does not mention Windows 10 in
any way... perhaps, it may be telling you that you can get the last available
Windows 7 upgrades. If this is so, that would be a good idea. If it is not so,
it would probably be a bad idea to try it. Since I don't think they will try
to update you to Windows 10 anymore, it may be worthwhile to try. However, it
MUST only be done if you're sure you can do it safely and recover if it doesn't
work, or works badly and leaves your machine not working properly.
I will check my version level of Windows 7, which I think is the last one
released. If you are not at that level, there may be some safe way to get to it
with that upgrade notice you are seeing, and then again, who knows, there may
not be a way. Sounds pretty up in the air, doesn't it? Sorry, but I haven't
checked with Microsoft lately. All I know is my machine does not bother me
about updates or upgrades anymore and has been at a nice, stable static version
7 for quite some time now, and I don't see any messages like you mention. I'll
check my machin's versio, and the MS site and get back to you on this in a few
days.
In the meantime, just keep ignoring the message. 😊
If you don't have the ability to backup the entire C: drive, and that means
with a completely functioning recovery method available, I would go to the
trouble and expense of obtaining such software. This way, if your machine ever
does get corrupted or improperly updated, or whatever, you can recover back to
a stable point. In the future, this is going to become increasingly more and
more difficult to do. There are probably dozens of Backup/Restore/Recovery
programs out there. I use Acronis. They claim to have a functioning
"bare-metal-restore" although I have never relied on it, or even tested it.
This means, if your hard drive completely fails as to be unusable, and you need
to get back to a working machine, their system will allow you to buy a new hard
drive and do that. On Unix/Linux, this would be a dead simple process. Using
Windows, it is not as easy as people might think.
/john
-----Original Message-----
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of
Jack Conti
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 8:40 AM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] question
Running win7 sonar 8.5 ct, with no connected internet cable.
its a dual boot system and on the win10 isde on the taskbar it reads no
available connection.
On the windows7 side after running for 4 or 5 mintues, the available
updates message pops up and just sits there...
I can live with it, but i find it odd...
Has anyone seen this??? thx in advance... Jack.
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