[ddots-l] Re: bcr2000 vs bcf2000
- From: Bryan Smart <bryansmart@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 17:28:59 -0500
Yes. XS is still best of what's out there. ES has more docs, but less controls,
runs slower, and has worse sounds. So its your call which is more important.
Bryan
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From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Blake Hardin
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 2:08 AM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: bcr2000 vs bcf2000
Ahh yeah man makes since. So would you still consider the xs to be the most
accessible of the workstations? Like if i got the edditors? Ors was the motif
es easyer to use?
On 1/18/10, Bryan Smart <bryansmart@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Because I'm tired of memorizing screens. I have too much going on to
> spend the hours and hours that it takes to commit a board like the
> Motif to memory. Plus, if you don't use it constantly, you start to forget
> details.
> After accidentally erasing several projects, having the Motif wipe out
> one of my flashdisks and kill a bunch of data, and struggling for a
> few days trying to reset all of the Utility mode and sequencer setup
> screens to work with Sonar and mLAN again after one of those crashes,
> I decided that I was tired of pouring time down that hole. It might be
> fine to memorize screens enough to play it live, or to do some small
> sequencing on it, but I wanted it to be fully integrated with Sonar as
> a controller, control surface, audio and MIDI interface, and tone
> generator. The docs say that it can do that, but actually making it
> happen is like chasing a carrot. Mostly because mLAN is such a pain to
> get and keep working with Sonar. Yamaha really isn't interested in
> making the Motif work well with any DAW besides Cubase, so it always
> felt like my workarounds were just fighting nature. I'd figure out
> some trick to make the Motif work in a certain way, only to find a
> bug, report it, and be told that it wasn't meant to be used that way.
> Of course not. It was supposed to be used with Cubase, which we can't
> use. Its possible to make it work, with lots and lots of effort, but I don't
> think that the effort is worth it anymore.
>
> Besides any blindness stuff, or any Yamaha compatibility stuff, I'm
> also tired of having to track in external sound modules of any type.
> If it won't run as a softsynth, I don't run it. I don't have time or
> patience for modules anymore. Too slow to work with, setting up sysex
> bulk dumps and restores, matching levels, tracking in external sounds
> at super slow real-time speed. Too much time to memorize everything,
> instead of having access, if even slower access, on the computer. So
> easy for settings to get messed up, or to have external gear not
> properly recall its setup when you load a Sonar project.
>
> I play a keyboard, but I don't record with one anymore. The computer
> isn't as fast, and the quality isn't as high in all areas, but I don't
> care. If I can have most of the quality in a fraction of the time,
> then that's all I need.
>
> Bryan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Blake Hardin
> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 1:23 AM
> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: bcr2000 vs bcf2000
>
> hey bryan? may i ask why you choose to venture away from the motif
> world of keyboards?
>
> On 1/17/10, Bryan Smart <bryansmart@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> The editor isn't free. You buy it from John Melas in Greece. You can
>> google to get his web site, or search on www.moaccess.info. It costs
>> about 140 Euros.
>>
>> The scripts are free. You'll need to get them from Gordon Kent.
>>
>> If the scripts don't work with your editor, then you have the wrong
>> editor.
>> E-mail John and ask him for the older version that worked with screen
>> readers.
>>
>> Bryan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bolo Feliciano
>> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 4:05 PM
>> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: bcr2000 vs bcf2000
>>
>> Hi,
>> How would I know if I got the old version of the editor? and when you
>> say don't use the motif anymore, should I sell it? I'm a little
>> confused with what you said.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Bolo Feliciano
>>
>> DasRight! Productions
>>
>> email:bolohotlikefire@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>> Tel: 340 227 1566
>>
>> "Seeing the World through my Heart"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> From: bryansmart@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:46:28 -0500
>>> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: bcr2000 vs bcf2000
>>>
>>> You can get the scripts from Gordon. I wrote them, but don't do
>>> anything with the Motif anymore. Also, you need the old version of
>>> the editor. The new one changed the interface completely, and
>>> doesn't work with Jaws.
>>>
>>> I persuaded Yamaha to give the author of the editor a free Motif XS
>>> so that he'd make it work for us, and so the changes in the new
>>> version are very upsetting to me. Still, what can I do?
>>>
>>> Bryan
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bolo Feliciano
>>> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 7:55 PM
>>> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: bcr2000 vs bcf2000
>>>
>>> Thanks for the info, whether is a paid or a freeby download is quite
>>> alright by me as long as it makes the motif editor accessible.
>>>
>>> regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bolo Feliciano
>>>
>>> DasRight! Productions
>>>
>>> email:bolohotlikefire@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>> Tel: 340 227 1566
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> From: neville@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: bcr2000 vs bcf2000
>>> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:59:49 -0500
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Welcome to the list what's up my friend. I don't have a motif, so I
>>> can't help with that but there are many on this list who do and
>>> should be able to send it to you. I don't know if its free or if you
>>> have to pay for it.
>>> I'm sure someone on this list should have that information as well.
>>> Its good to know that you are posting. Be well.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bolo Feliciano
>>> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 7:07 AM
>>> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: bcr2000 vs bcf2000
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi People,
>>> I'm a soca and calypso producer hailing all the way from the Virgin
>>> Islands. I've been onthe the list for just a qquick minute now, but
>>> this is my first entry. I was just wondering if I can also
>>> possiblely get a copy of the jaws scripts for the motif editer.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>> Bolo Feliciano
>>>
>>> DasRight! Productions
>>>
>>> email:bolohotlikefire@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>> Tel: 340 227 1566
>>>
>>> "Seeing the World through my Heart"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> From: fitzyyy@xxxxxxxxxx
>>> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: bcr2000 vs bcf2000
>>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:15:41 -0500
>>>
>>> hi Gordon
>>>
>>> any chance you could email me the jaws scripts for the motif editers
>>> off list?
>>>
>>> the email is
>>>
>>> Fitzyyy@xxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>> thanks.
>>>
>>> frank. oh and I think some one else wanted them, bbut if you get
>>> them to me I'll get them to him. thanks again.
>>>
>>> frank
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>> From: Gordon Kent <mailto:dbmusic@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>
>>> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:23 PM
>>>
>>> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: bcr2000 vs bcf2000
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello:
>>>
>>> I have the bcf2000, which has the motorized faders while the bcr has
>>> only knobs. I've had good luck with my bcf2000 and you certainly
>>> can't beat the price.
>>>
>>> Gord
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>> From: Frank Morekwa <mailto:frank.morekwa@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>
>>> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 12:27 PM
>>>
>>> Subject: [ddots-l] bcr2000 vs bcf2000
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> hi guys
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> i am planning to get my self a midi controler surface and some one
>>> recomended that i should get bcr2000 or bcf2000 so i'm not sure
>>> about their differences and which one i can get with some better
>>> functions and user friendly, any advice?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Frank
>>>
>>>
>>>
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