Thanks for all your input, guys. These are all things I'll have to
seriously think about.
Having said that, here's a new batch of newby questions.
Given that Pro tools is the industry standard, and if I were to use a Mac
with a dual platform like I'm considering, would studeos accept my work
if it were created with Sonar? Or would it be better to get my own studeo
going?
If the state were to purchase the equipment from Dancing Dots, would the
JAWS/Sonar/CakeTalking/Mac updates all come from Dancing Dots? How does
that work?
How does one switch between the two operating systems--do you actually
shut windows down, and it takes you back to the Mac? Do both platforms
run simultaneously? Do you switch between them as you would programs on
the task bar?
Finally, is there a way to get the CakeTalking/Sonar documentation? I
saw the Table of Contents online, but I'd actually like to read the
files. If someone could send them to me off-list, I'd appreciate it.
I'd like to learn as much about this software as I can before I ask
the state to make such a huge investment. I'd hate to build up a case
for all of it, have it ordered and find out I hate it. LOL
Take care,
Chelsea
-----Original Message-----
From: Shawn Brock <shawn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: September 01, 2010 8:24 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Mac support for CakeTalking and Sonar
The all looming question is, when will the new version of pro tools be
on the market.
I have yet to hear any concrete info, or see it in action. Yes, I do
understand that some of you are testing it, and it does in fact exist,
but when will it be out.
I have a Mack book pro and will be ready to test it out when the time
comes, when the time ever does come.
What's funny to me is the fact that so many blind engineers are gitty
to be able to finally work on the pro tools platform, while a few
major studios that I have worked in lately have switched for the most
part to the PC.
these guys aren't nobodies either...
I hesitate to name names but, one of the fellows is a 30 year vet
who's in sound on sound magazine non stop. I was doing a session at
his place 3 months ago and he was completely down on PT. He was
putting his HD rig up for sale.
So after all these years of being a PT user he has made the switch.
The guy charges $4000 per day for the studio and his engineering...
Will the world go in reverse? With blind engineers running out to
latch on to a new Mack, while more and more sighted users who shunned
the PC find themselves switching over to it?
Don't get me wrong here, I was one of the first to sign the petition
to make pro tools accessible, but given my experiences at some quality
pro tools based facilities over the last year, I have gained a hole
new level of respect for Sonar.
I'm glad that we will have access to PT, and I'll mess around with it,
but I think my mainstay will be on the PC and Sonar.
Its no surprise that I have changed my mind about PT. I used to hate
midi and programming too, now I'm one programming fool!
Oh well... Life goes on, and we learn right?
Shawn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Smart" <bryansmart@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 4:43 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Mac support for CakeTalking and Sonar
Don't forget that we can sell you a Mac, with a dual boot setup,
similar to our Windows DAWs. You can get a preconfigured system with
VoiceOver and Pro Tools on the Mac side, along with Jaws, Sonar, and
CakeTalking on the Windows side, all preconfigured for your audio
hardware, and all imaged so that you can go back to our original setup at
any time.
When you're ready to get a Mac, give us a call so that we can quote
you a price for a full system. We can also sell you Pro Tools.
Bryan
-----Original Message-----
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike C
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 11:30 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Mac support for CakeTalking and Sonar
That's absolutly fantastic.
My next unit is definatly going to be a Mac desktop.
As you stated the components are of very high quality, and the audio
controllers are great.
Another cool thing about Macs is that they have no fans, and are
absolutly quiet for audio recording.
Plus the financing options are great for you folks in the states.
I believe I was quoted about $30 a month for my mac book pro, to which
I couldn't take advantage of here in Canada since they currently don't
offer this option.
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From: "Bryan Smart" <bryansmart@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 10:22 AM
To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Mac support for CakeTalking and Sonar
Yep. Running a Mac Pro here that multiboots. I'm way passed dual.
*laugh* Right now, I have 4 OSes installed on the internal hard
drives, plus another on an external drive that I use for maintenance
tasks. It absolutely works. When you install Windows on drives with
BootCamp, they automatically show up in the EFI boot manager. If you
hold down the option key when the Mac starts up, you get a list of
all of the installed OSes on all recognized drives, and you just pick
one to boot it. On mine, I have two Windows 7 installs, one with my
stable setup, and one where I experiment. Same thing with the mac:
one stable install, and one experiments OS.
The Macs are expensive, but they use quality components, and work
just fine as Windows machines, if you need them too. They use RealTec
high def audio controllers (which have great support in Win 7),
Nvidia graphics, , Intel for network, SATA, and most other system
controllers, Texas Instruments Firewire, etc.
Your only catch if you want to run both Pro Tools and Sonar at the
same time is to be sure that you have audio interfaces that work with
both.
Sonar supports lots of different audio interfaces, but Pro Tools is
very picky. Some M-Audio interfaces work. Some interfaces from Lynx
work. A very few of the new Mackie mixers with built-in audio work.
And, of course, the pricy Avid interfaces work, but those don't work
well with Sonar. So, you can do it, but you need to research your
choices first.
Bryan
-----Original Message-----
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Mike C
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 4:47 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Mac support for CakeTalking and Sonar
HI there brandin, personally I have a Mac systemw ith Sonar, and
Caketalking, along with a motu, and v-studio 100 sound card, and all
of my gear is working smoothly on the duel boot system.
I think who ever told you that it wouldn't work smoothly is giving
you the wrong information.
The problem in which the duel system doesn't work properly if lets
say you are running Desktop parellel, and or Fusion, then I wouldn't
recommend this system is the drivers on some sound cards, and midi
gear simply don't work smoothly.
However if you set up a duel boot, your booting streight in to
windows your system works just like a Pc as all new Macs use the same
Pc components.
Another thing to note is that if you are using Jaws and Caketalking
on the Windows side of things on the Mac you will definatly need a
full size desktop keyboard to operate properly.
Infact My mac running Windows works better then the Pc desktop that I
have.
Finally when I installed Windows as a separate boot on my Mac and
install all the drivers provided from the Mac Cd, my system worked
like a charm.
Hope this helps.
P.S. pro tools answer in telling your teachers that they wouldn't
make their effort to make their software accessible since Sonar is
more accessible, is just a cop out from Avid's side.
I'm only hoping the the 508 code comes in to effect with the Avid
Folks in the future.
From: Brandon Keith <mailto:brandonboy13@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 12:46 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Mac support for CakeTalking and Sonar
I'm dealing with this problem atm... My schools recording studio is
all Pro Tools based and my stuff is Sonar based. So what we have
Hypothesized would be the best thing to do would be to have a
fire-wire drive so we can transfer from 1 computer to another. I was
told that having the dule-boot-up system would not be the best thing
because there was some problems with all the hardware and whatnot not
working smoothly. But My teachers have been talking to the guys at
Avid who are in charge of the accessibility on Pro Tools and they
said there wouldn't ever be full accessibility for Pro Tools because
for one it's not worth their time, and second they don't want to
compete with Sonar which already is way more accessible than pro
Tools could be in a long time.
So I'd advise getting your own custom built DAW with Sonar.
And BTW I think the person you are wanting to be would be a mixer...
I believe mastering usually comes along with that, but here where I
am you go to a group of people for recording, go to another person
for mixing then for mastering, then you go to your producer if you
have one and they say yes or no then depending on what other people
you have on your production loop it gets printed. So the guys who add
affects like that are usually the mixers.
Mastering is more of the details, after it gets mixed there is still
like a vibe that needs to be gotten out of the sound and a feel that
the music needs to send out and the mastering guy amplifies that.
But basically (I know here) you should know how to do everything at
least a little... I'm more in the mixing, mastering and performing
stuff, but I still do miking and engineering if I can... :P Hope this
helps and sorry for my long sentences...
Brandon Keith
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From: Cameron <mailto:cameron@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 9:15 AM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Mac support for CakeTalking and Sonar
Hi. So you could have a dual boot machine of course. Sometimes you
need to use another OS for some tasks, so, you'd have it there if
required.
For example, you could have pro tools on the mac OS X side, and,
sonar on the windows side.
Cameron.
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of neville
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 12:12 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Mac support for CakeTalking and Sonar
What would be the purpose for doing that?
May the peace of God which passes all understanding guard your heart
and mind in Christ Jesus. God bless you!
Music soft sacred and soulful
Website http://www.nevillepeter.com
email neville@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
phone 407-222-4488
________________________________
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Kevin Gibbs
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 3:31 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Mac support for CakeTalking and Sonar
Sonar is a Windows only product. It is possible to run Windows on a
Mac.
that requires a separate Windows partition running under Bootcamp or
VM Fusion. Your Mac behaves as if it were a Windows PC when this
partition is invoked.
Kevin
-----Original Message-----
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Chelsea Dye
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 2:00 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Mac support for CakeTalking and Sonar
Hi list,
I'm considering getting a Mac, and was wondering what support is
available for Dancing Dots products. Also, can Braille displays such
as the one that is part of the Pac Mate work with Macs?
Thanks,
Chelsea
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