[ddots-l] Re: Mac support for CakeTalking and Sonar
- From: "D!J!X!" <megamansuperior@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 01:43:02 -0400
Not sure about this, but I was thinking, if what you want to do is lots of
dance music and loop based stuff etc, check to be sure pt gives you these
tools to make this kind of music and if it's easy to use and accessible to a
blind producer. I know most people who do these types of music normally use
stuff like fruity loops, Reason or acid etc. Sonar 8.5 is jumping on the
band waggon and making it easier for us to be able to use similar features
with the introduction of the matrix view, the enhanced loops support, and
even the step sequencer is a welcomed addition for doing these things. As if
that wasn't enough, the sfz format will allow us to work with our own
samples and use them in a variety of synths like dimension pro, rapture,
probably dropZone, session drummer etc.
Not discounting pt here, but I'd make sure that what you want to do is
something you can do in your new setup. I know pt might be where sonar is
now in a few years or whatever, but would that also require a new setup? I'm
excited that pt will be support and accessible, but as I stated in my first
post on the topic, if you know your setup and it's working for you and you
have no work related reason to switch, then I'd choose accessibility and
access as oppose to standards.
For your type of music the ideal program/sequencer would be fl, which is
made with this in mind, but that's a no go for us, and imageLine doesn't
seem to care much.
HTH, D!J!X!
-----Original Message-----
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Chelsea Dye
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 12:17 AM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Mac support for CakeTalking and Sonar
Thanks for all your input, guys. These are all things I'll have to seriously
think about.
Having said that, here's a new batch of newby questions.
Given that Pro tools is the industry standard, and if I were to use a Mac
with a dual platform like I'm considering, would studeos accept my work if
it were created with Sonar? Or would it be better to get my own studeo
going?
If the state were to purchase the equipment from Dancing Dots, would the
JAWS/Sonar/CakeTalking/Mac updates all come from Dancing Dots? How does that
work?
How does one switch between the two operating systems--do you actually shut
windows down, and it takes you back to the Mac? Do both platforms run
simultaneously? Do you switch between them as you would programs on the task
bar?
Finally, is there a way to get the CakeTalking/Sonar documentation? I saw
the Table of Contents online, but I'd actually like to read the files. If
someone could send them to me off-list, I'd appreciate it. I'd like to learn
as much about this software as I can before I ask the state to make such a
huge investment. I'd hate to build up a case for all of it, have it ordered
and find out I hate it. LOL
Take care,
Chelsea
-----Original Message-----
From: Shawn Brock <shawn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: September 01, 2010 8:24 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Mac support for CakeTalking and Sonar
The all looming question is, when will the new version of pro tools be on
the market.
I have yet to hear any concrete info, or see it in action. Yes, I do
understand that some of you are testing it, and it does in fact exist, but
when will it be out.
I have a Mack book pro and will be ready to test it out when the time comes,
when the time ever does come.
What's funny to me is the fact that so many blind engineers are gitty to be
able to finally work on the pro tools platform, while a few major studios
that I have worked in lately have switched for the most part to the PC.
these guys aren't nobodies either...
I hesitate to name names but, one of the fellows is a 30 year vet who's in
sound on sound magazine non stop. I was doing a session at his place 3
months ago and he was completely down on PT. He was putting his HD rig up
for sale.
So after all these years of being a PT user he has made the switch. The guy
charges $4000 per day for the studio and his engineering...
Will the world go in reverse? With blind engineers running out to latch
on to a new Mack, while more and more sighted users who shunned the PC find
themselves switching over to it?
Don't get me wrong here, I was one of the first to sign the petition to make
pro tools accessible, but given my experiences at some quality pro tools
based facilities over the last year, I have gained a hole new level of
respect for Sonar.
I'm glad that we will have access to PT, and I'll mess around with it, but I
think my mainstay will be on the PC and Sonar.
Its no surprise that I have changed my mind about PT. I used to hate midi
and programming too, now I'm one programming fool!
Oh well... Life goes on, and we learn right?
Shawn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Smart" <bryansmart@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 4:43 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Mac support for CakeTalking and Sonar
Don't forget that we can sell you a Mac, with a dual boot setup, similar to
our Windows DAWs. You can get a preconfigured system with VoiceOver and Pro
Tools on the Mac side, along with Jaws, Sonar, and CakeTalking on the
Windows side, all preconfigured for your audio hardware, and all imaged so
that you can go back to our original setup at any time.
When you're ready to get a Mac, give us a call so that we can quote you a
price for a full system. We can also sell you Pro Tools.
Bryan
-----Original Message-----
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Mike C
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 11:30 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Mac support for CakeTalking and Sonar
That's absolutly fantastic.
My next unit is definatly going to be a Mac desktop.
As you stated the components are of very high quality, and the audio
controllers are great.
Another cool thing about Macs is that they have no fans, and are absolutly
quiet for audio recording.
Plus the financing options are great for you folks in the states.
I believe I was quoted about $30 a month for my mac book pro, to which I
couldn't take advantage of here in Canada since they currently don't offer
this option.
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From: "Bryan Smart" <bryansmart@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 10:22 AM
To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Mac support for CakeTalking and Sonar
> Yep. Running a Mac Pro here that multiboots. I'm way passed dual.
> *laugh* Right now, I have 4 OSes installed on the internal hard
> drives, plus another on an external drive that I use for maintenance
> tasks. It absolutely works. When you install Windows on drives with
> BootCamp, they automatically show up in the EFI boot manager. If you
> hold down the option key when the Mac starts up, you get a list of all
> of the installed OSes on all recognized drives, and you just pick one
> to boot it. On mine, I have two Windows 7 installs, one with my stable
> setup, and one where I experiment. Same thing with the mac: one stable
> install, and one experiments OS.
>
> The Macs are expensive, but they use quality components, and work just
> fine as Windows machines, if you need them too. They use RealTec high
> def audio controllers (which have great support in Win 7), Nvidia
> graphics, , Intel for network, SATA, and most other system
> controllers, Texas Instruments Firewire, etc.
>
> Your only catch if you want to run both Pro Tools and Sonar at the
> same time is to be sure that you have audio interfaces that work with
> both.
> Sonar supports lots of different audio interfaces, but Pro Tools is
> very picky. Some M-Audio interfaces work. Some interfaces from Lynx
> work. A very few of the new Mackie mixers with built-in audio work.
> And, of course, the pricy Avid interfaces work, but those don't work
> well with Sonar. So, you can do it, but you need to research your choices
> first.
>
> Bryan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Mike C
> Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 4:47 PM
> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Mac support for CakeTalking and Sonar
>
> HI there brandin, personally I have a Mac systemw ith Sonar, and
> Caketalking, along with a motu, and v-studio 100 sound card, and all
> of my gear is working smoothly on the duel boot system.
> I think who ever told you that it wouldn't work smoothly is giving you
> the wrong information.
> The problem in which the duel system doesn't work properly if lets say
> you are running Desktop parellel, and or Fusion, then I wouldn't
> recommend this system is the drivers on some sound cards, and midi
> gear simply don't work smoothly.
> However if you set up a duel boot, your booting streight in to windows
> your system works just like a Pc as all new Macs use the same Pc
> components.
> Another thing to note is that if you are using Jaws and Caketalking on
> the Windows side of things on the Mac you will definatly need a full
> size desktop keyboard to operate properly.
> Infact My mac running Windows works better then the Pc desktop that I
> have.
> Finally when I installed Windows as a separate boot on my Mac and
> install all the drivers provided from the Mac Cd, my system worked like a
> charm.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> P.S. pro tools answer in telling your teachers that they wouldn't make
> their effort to make their software accessible since Sonar is more
> accessible, is just a cop out from Avid's side.
> I'm only hoping the the 508 code comes in to effect with the Avid
> Folks in the future.
> From: Brandon Keith <mailto:brandonboy13@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 12:46 PM
> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Mac support for CakeTalking and Sonar
>
> I'm dealing with this problem atm... My schools recording studio is
> all Pro Tools based and my stuff is Sonar based. So what we have
> Hypothesized would be the best thing to do would be to have a
> fire-wire drive so we can transfer from 1 computer to another. I was
> told that having the dule-boot-up system would not be the best thing
> because there was some problems with all the hardware and whatnot not
> working smoothly. But My teachers have been talking to the guys at
> Avid who are in charge of the accessibility on Pro Tools and they said
> there wouldn't ever be full accessibility for Pro Tools because for
> one it's not worth their time, and second they don't want to compete
> with Sonar which already is way more accessible than pro Tools could be in
> a long time.
> So I'd advise getting your own custom built DAW with Sonar.
> And BTW I think the person you are wanting to be would be a mixer... I
> believe mastering usually comes along with that, but here where I am
> you go to a group of people for recording, go to another person for
> mixing then for mastering, then you go to your producer if you have
> one and they say yes or no then depending on what other people you
> have on your production loop it gets printed. So the guys who add
> affects like that are usually the mixers.
> Mastering is more of the details, after it gets mixed there is still
> like a vibe that needs to be gotten out of the sound and a feel that
> the music needs to send out and the mastering guy amplifies that.
> But basically (I know here) you should know how to do everything at
> least a little... I'm more in the mixing, mastering and performing
> stuff, but I still do miking and engineering if I can... :P Hope this
> helps and sorry for my long sentences...
> Brandon Keith
>
> Check out
> MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/brandonkeithcom
> Also add me on facebook!
> brandonkeith
>
> From: Cameron <mailto:cameron@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 9:15 AM
> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Mac support for CakeTalking and Sonar
>
>
> Hi. So you could have a dual boot machine of course. Sometimes you
> need to use another OS for some tasks, so, you'd have it there if
> required.
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> For example, you could have pro tools on the mac OS X side, and, sonar
> on the windows side.
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> Cameron.
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> From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of neville
> Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 12:12 PM
> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Mac support for CakeTalking and Sonar
>
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> What would be the purpose for doing that?
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> May the peace of God which passes all understanding guard your heart
> and mind in Christ Jesus. God bless you!
>
> Music soft sacred and soulful
>
> Website http://www.nevillepeter.com
>
> email neville@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> phone 407-222-4488
>
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> From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Kevin Gibbs
> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 3:31 PM
> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Mac support for CakeTalking and Sonar
>
>
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> Sonar is a Windows only product. It is possible to run Windows on a Mac.
> that requires a separate Windows partition running under Bootcamp or
> VM Fusion. Your Mac behaves as if it were a Windows PC when this
> partition is invoked.
>
> Kevin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Chelsea Dye
> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 2:00 PM
> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [ddots-l] Mac support for CakeTalking and Sonar
>
> Hi list,
>
> I'm considering getting a Mac, and was wondering what support is
> available for Dancing Dots products. Also, can Braille displays such
> as the one that is part of the Pac Mate work with Macs?
>
> Thanks,
> Chelsea
>
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