Not sure about this, but I was thinking, if what you want to do is lots of
dance music and loop based stuff etc, check to be sure pt gives you these
tools to make this kind of music and if it's easy to use and accessible to a
blind producer. I know most people who do these types of music normally use
stuff like fruity loops, Reason or acid etc. Sonar 8.5 is jumping on the
band waggon and making it easier for us to be able to use similar features
with the introduction of the matrix view, the enhanced loops support, and
even the step sequencer is a welcomed addition for doing these things. As if
that wasn't enough, the sfz format will allow us to work with our own
samples and use them in a variety of synths like dimension pro, rapture,
probably dropZone, session drummer etc.
Not discounting pt here, but I'd make sure that what you want to do is
something you can do in your new setup. I know pt might be where sonar is
now in a few years or whatever, but would that also require a new setup? I'm
excited that pt will be support and accessible, but as I stated in my first
post on the topic, if you know your setup and it's working for you and you
have no work related reason to switch, then I'd choose accessibility and
access as oppose to standards.
For your type of music the ideal program/sequencer would be fl, which is
made with this in mind, but that's a no go for us, and imageLine doesn't
seem to care much.
HTH, D!J!X!
-----Original Message-----
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Chelsea Dye
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 12:17 AM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Mac support for CakeTalking and Sonar
Thanks for all your input, guys. These are all things I'll have to seriously
think about.
Having said that, here's a new batch of newby questions.
Given that Pro tools is the industry standard, and if I were to use a Mac
with a dual platform like I'm considering, would studeos accept my work if
it were created with Sonar? Or would it be better to get my own studeo
going?
If the state were to purchase the equipment from Dancing Dots, would the
JAWS/Sonar/CakeTalking/Mac updates all come from Dancing Dots? How does that
work?
How does one switch between the two operating systems--do you actually shut
windows down, and it takes you back to the Mac? Do both platforms run
simultaneously? Do you switch between them as you would programs on the task
bar?
Finally, is there a way to get the CakeTalking/Sonar documentation? I saw
the Table of Contents online, but I'd actually like to read the files. If
someone could send them to me off-list, I'd appreciate it. I'd like to learn
as much about this software as I can before I ask the state to make such a
huge investment. I'd hate to build up a case for all of it, have it ordered
and find out I hate it. LOL
Take care,
Chelsea
-----Original Message-----
From: Shawn Brock<shawn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: September 01, 2010 8:24 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Mac support for CakeTalking and Sonar
The all looming question is, when will the new version of pro tools be on
the market.
I have yet to hear any concrete info, or see it in action. Yes, I do
understand that some of you are testing it, and it does in fact exist, but
when will it be out.
I have a Mack book pro and will be ready to test it out when the time comes,
when the time ever does come.
What's funny to me is the fact that so many blind engineers are gitty to be
able to finally work on the pro tools platform, while a few major studios
that I have worked in lately have switched for the most part to the PC.
these guys aren't nobodies either...
I hesitate to name names but, one of the fellows is a 30 year vet who's in
sound on sound magazine non stop. I was doing a session at his place 3
months ago and he was completely down on PT. He was putting his HD rig up
for sale.
So after all these years of being a PT user he has made the switch. The guy
charges $4000 per day for the studio and his engineering...
Will the world go in reverse? With blind engineers running out to latch
on to a new Mack, while more and more sighted users who shunned the PC find
themselves switching over to it?
Don't get me wrong here, I was one of the first to sign the petition to make
pro tools accessible, but given my experiences at some quality pro tools
based facilities over the last year, I have gained a hole new level of
respect for Sonar.
I'm glad that we will have access to PT, and I'll mess around with it, but I
think my mainstay will be on the PC and Sonar.
Its no surprise that I have changed my mind about PT. I used to hate midi
and programming too, now I'm one programming fool!
Oh well... Life goes on, and we learn right?
Shawn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Smart"<bryansmart@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To:<ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 4:43 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Mac support for CakeTalking and Sonar
Don't forget that we can sell you a Mac, with a dual boot setup, similar to
our Windows DAWs. You can get a preconfigured system with VoiceOver and Pro
Tools on the Mac side, along with Jaws, Sonar, and CakeTalking on the
Windows side, all preconfigured for your audio hardware, and all imaged so
that you can go back to our original setup at any time.
When you're ready to get a Mac, give us a call so that we can quote you a
price for a full system. We can also sell you Pro Tools.
Bryan
-----Original Message-----
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Mike C
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 11:30 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Mac support for CakeTalking and Sonar
That's absolutly fantastic.
My next unit is definatly going to be a Mac desktop.
As you stated the components are of very high quality, and the audio
controllers are great.
Another cool thing about Macs is that they have no fans, and are absolutly
quiet for audio recording.
Plus the financing options are great for you folks in the states.
I believe I was quoted about $30 a month for my mac book pro, to which I
couldn't take advantage of here in Canada since they currently don't offer
this option.
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From: "Bryan Smart"<bryansmart@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 10:22 AM
To:<ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Mac support for CakeTalking and Sonar
Yep. Running a Mac Pro here that multiboots. I'm way passed dual.
*laugh* Right now, I have 4 OSes installed on the internal hard
drives, plus another on an external drive that I use for maintenance
tasks. It absolutely works. When you install Windows on drives with
BootCamp, they automatically show up in the EFI boot manager. If you
hold down the option key when the Mac starts up, you get a list of all
of the installed OSes on all recognized drives, and you just pick one
to boot it. On mine, I have two Windows 7 installs, one with my stable
setup, and one where I experiment. Same thing with the mac: one stable
install, and one experiments OS.
The Macs are expensive, but they use quality components, and work just
fine as Windows machines, if you need them too. They use RealTec high
def audio controllers (which have great support in Win 7), Nvidia
graphics, , Intel for network, SATA, and most other system
controllers, Texas Instruments Firewire, etc.
Your only catch if you want to run both Pro Tools and Sonar at the
same time is to be sure that you have audio interfaces that work with
both.
Sonar supports lots of different audio interfaces, but Pro Tools is
very picky. Some M-Audio interfaces work. Some interfaces from Lynx
work. A very few of the new Mackie mixers with built-in audio work.
And, of course, the pricy Avid interfaces work, but those don't work
well with Sonar. So, you can do it, but you need to research your choices
first.
Bryan
-----Original Message-----
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Mike C
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 4:47 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Mac support for CakeTalking and Sonar
HI there brandin, personally I have a Mac systemw ith Sonar, and
Caketalking, along with a motu, and v-studio 100 sound card, and all
of my gear is working smoothly on the duel boot system.
I think who ever told you that it wouldn't work smoothly is giving you
the wrong information.
The problem in which the duel system doesn't work properly if lets say
you are running Desktop parellel, and or Fusion, then I wouldn't
recommend this system is the drivers on some sound cards, and midi
gear simply don't work smoothly.
However if you set up a duel boot, your booting streight in to windows
your system works just like a Pc as all new Macs use the same Pc
components.
Another thing to note is that if you are using Jaws and Caketalking on
the Windows side of things on the Mac you will definatly need a full
size desktop keyboard to operate properly.
Infact My mac running Windows works better then the Pc desktop that I
have.
Finally when I installed Windows as a separate boot on my Mac and
install all the drivers provided from the Mac Cd, my system worked like a
charm.
Hope this helps.
P.S. pro tools answer in telling your teachers that they wouldn't make
their effort to make their software accessible since Sonar is more
accessible, is just a cop out from Avid's side.
I'm only hoping the the 508 code comes in to effect with the Avid
Folks in the future.
From: Brandon Keith<mailto:brandonboy13@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 12:46 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Mac support for CakeTalking and Sonar
I'm dealing with this problem atm... My schools recording studio is
all Pro Tools based and my stuff is Sonar based. So what we have
Hypothesized would be the best thing to do would be to have a
fire-wire drive so we can transfer from 1 computer to another. I was
told that having the dule-boot-up system would not be the best thing
because there was some problems with all the hardware and whatnot not
working smoothly. But My teachers have been talking to the guys at
Avid who are in charge of the accessibility on Pro Tools and they said
there wouldn't ever be full accessibility for Pro Tools because for
one it's not worth their time, and second they don't want to compete
with Sonar which already is way more accessible than pro Tools could be in
a long time.
So I'd advise getting your own custom built DAW with Sonar.
And BTW I think the person you are wanting to be would be a mixer... I
believe mastering usually comes along with that, but here where I am
you go to a group of people for recording, go to another person for
mixing then for mastering, then you go to your producer if you have
one and they say yes or no then depending on what other people you
have on your production loop it gets printed. So the guys who add
affects like that are usually the mixers.
Mastering is more of the details, after it gets mixed there is still
like a vibe that needs to be gotten out of the sound and a feel that
the music needs to send out and the mastering guy amplifies that.
But basically (I know here) you should know how to do everything at
least a little... I'm more in the mixing, mastering and performing
stuff, but I still do miking and engineering if I can... :P Hope this
helps and sorry for my long sentences...
Brandon Keith
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From: Cameron<mailto:cameron@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 9:15 AM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Mac support for CakeTalking and Sonar
Hi. So you could have a dual boot machine of course. Sometimes you
need to use another OS for some tasks, so, you'd have it there if
required.
For example, you could have pro tools on the mac OS X side, and, sonar
on the windows side.
Cameron.
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of neville
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 12:12 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Mac support for CakeTalking and Sonar
What would be the purpose for doing that?
May the peace of God which passes all understanding guard your heart
and mind in Christ Jesus. God bless you!
Music soft sacred and soulful
Website http://www.nevillepeter.com
email neville@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
phone 407-222-4488
________________________________
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Kevin Gibbs
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 3:31 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Mac support for CakeTalking and Sonar
Sonar is a Windows only product. It is possible to run Windows on a Mac.
that requires a separate Windows partition running under Bootcamp or
VM Fusion. Your Mac behaves as if it were a Windows PC when this
partition is invoked.
Kevin
-----Original Message-----
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Chelsea Dye
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 2:00 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Mac support for CakeTalking and Sonar
Hi list,
I'm considering getting a Mac, and was wondering what support is
available for Dancing Dots products. Also, can Braille displays such
as the one that is part of the Pac Mate work with Macs?
Thanks,
Chelsea
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