[ddots-l] Re: Mac support for CakeTalking and Sonar
- From: Vince Mistretta <vmistretta1411@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 16:40:42 -0400
I remember finding something about a piece of software wich would aid
the use of VSTs as Audio Units for Mac use if you only have the VST
version. Sorry I can't remember the actual name of the software, but
I was doing a search on GarageBand and VST.
On 9/8/10, Bryan Smart <bryansmart@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I'm talking with Kevin about this off-list, but, for the benefit of everyone
> else, the answer is no. When you buy some plug ins, they give you both the
> Windows and Mac version, but they are two separate programs. The Windows
> plug in is installed on Windows, and the Mac plug in on the Mac. They can't
> share synths.
>
> Bryan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Kevin Gibbs
> Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2010 2:20 AM
> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Mac support for CakeTalking and Sonar
>
> Guys, especially Brian,
> I have a couple of questions concerning the use of Windows and Mac on the
> same system.
> 1. What happens if you have a bunch of VST instruments, I suppose they'd
> be AU instruments on a Mac, and they are on a separate drive just for VSTs.
> Is it possible to access those same instruments both in boot camp with
> sonar and in OS 10.6 let's say with Logic? Let's assume that in logic I am
> able to use my limited vision and magnify the screen to get around
> satisfactorily in the short run. Is it possible to use the same collection
> of say Vienna instruments and Ivory and RMX located on the same separate
> drive? Now I'm making allowances for Audio Units axes. But is it possible
> to use the same instruments the same VST instruments in both Mac and Windows
> and have it so they only have to be installed once?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 1, 2010, at 11:17 PM, Chelsea Dye <lady.arwen15@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for all your input, guys. These are all things I'll have to
>> seriously think about.
>>
>> Having said that, here's a new batch of newby questions.
>>
>> Given that Pro tools is the industry standard, and if I were to use a Mac
>> with a dual platform like I'm considering, would studeos accept my work if
>> it were created with Sonar? Or would it be better to get my own studeo
>> going?
>>
>> If the state were to purchase the equipment from Dancing Dots, would the
>> JAWS/Sonar/CakeTalking/Mac updates all come from Dancing Dots? How does
>> that work?
>>
>> How does one switch between the two operating systems--do you actually
>> shut windows down, and it takes you back to the Mac? Do both platforms run
>> simultaneously? Do you switch between them as you would programs on the
>> task bar?
>>
>> Finally, is there a way to get the CakeTalking/Sonar documentation? I
>> saw the Table of Contents online, but I'd actually like to read the
>> files. If someone could send them to me off-list, I'd appreciate it.
>> I'd like to learn as much about this software as I can before I ask
>> the state to make such a huge investment. I'd hate to build up a case
>> for all of it, have it ordered and find out I hate it. LOL
>>
>> Take care,
>> Chelsea
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Shawn Brock <shawn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: September 01, 2010 8:24 PM
>> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Mac support for CakeTalking and Sonar
>>
>> The all looming question is, when will the new version of pro tools be
>> on the market.
>>
>> I have yet to hear any concrete info, or see it in action. Yes, I do
>> understand that some of you are testing it, and it does in fact exist,
>> but when will it be out.
>>
>> I have a Mack book pro and will be ready to test it out when the time
>> comes, when the time ever does come.
>>
>> What's funny to me is the fact that so many blind engineers are gitty
>> to be able to finally work on the pro tools platform, while a few
>> major studios that I have worked in lately have switched for the most part
>> to the PC.
>> these guys aren't nobodies either...
>>
>> I hesitate to name names but, one of the fellows is a 30 year vet
>> who's in sound on sound magazine non stop. I was doing a session at
>> his place 3 months ago and he was completely down on PT. He was
>> putting his HD rig up for sale.
>>
>> So after all these years of being a PT user he has made the switch.
>> The guy charges $4000 per day for the studio and his engineering...
>>
>> Will the world go in reverse? With blind engineers running out to
>> latch on to a new Mack, while more and more sighted users who shunned
>> the PC find themselves switching over to it?
>>
>> Don't get me wrong here, I was one of the first to sign the petition
>> to make pro tools accessible, but given my experiences at some quality
>> pro tools based facilities over the last year, I have gained a hole
>> new level of respect for Sonar.
>>
>> I'm glad that we will have access to PT, and I'll mess around with it,
>> but I think my mainstay will be on the PC and Sonar.
>>
>> Its no surprise that I have changed my mind about PT. I used to hate
>> midi and programming too, now I'm one programming fool!
>>
>> Oh well... Life goes on, and we learn right?
>>
>> Shawn
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bryan Smart" <bryansmart@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 4:43 PM
>> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Mac support for CakeTalking and Sonar
>>
>>
>> Don't forget that we can sell you a Mac, with a dual boot setup,
>> similar to our Windows DAWs. You can get a preconfigured system with
>> VoiceOver and Pro Tools on the Mac side, along with Jaws, Sonar, and
>> CakeTalking on the Windows side, all preconfigured for your audio
>> hardware, and all imaged so that you can go back to our original setup at
>> any time.
>>
>> When you're ready to get a Mac, give us a call so that we can quote
>> you a price for a full system. We can also sell you Pro Tools.
>>
>> Bryan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike C
>> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 11:30 PM
>> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Mac support for CakeTalking and Sonar
>>
>> That's absolutly fantastic.
>> My next unit is definatly going to be a Mac desktop.
>> As you stated the components are of very high quality, and the audio
>> controllers are great.
>> Another cool thing about Macs is that they have no fans, and are
>> absolutly quiet for audio recording.
>> Plus the financing options are great for you folks in the states.
>> I believe I was quoted about $30 a month for my mac book pro, to which
>> I couldn't take advantage of here in Canada since they currently don't
>> offer this option.
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Bryan Smart" <bryansmart@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 10:22 AM
>> To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Mac support for CakeTalking and Sonar
>>
>>> Yep. Running a Mac Pro here that multiboots. I'm way passed dual.
>>> *laugh* Right now, I have 4 OSes installed on the internal hard
>>> drives, plus another on an external drive that I use for maintenance
>>> tasks. It absolutely works. When you install Windows on drives with
>>> BootCamp, they automatically show up in the EFI boot manager. If you
>>> hold down the option key when the Mac starts up, you get a list of
>>> all of the installed OSes on all recognized drives, and you just pick
>>> one to boot it. On mine, I have two Windows 7 installs, one with my
>>> stable setup, and one where I experiment. Same thing with the mac:
>>> one stable install, and one experiments OS.
>>>
>>> The Macs are expensive, but they use quality components, and work
>>> just fine as Windows machines, if you need them too. They use RealTec
>>> high def audio controllers (which have great support in Win 7),
>>> Nvidia graphics, , Intel for network, SATA, and most other system
>>> controllers, Texas Instruments Firewire, etc.
>>>
>>> Your only catch if you want to run both Pro Tools and Sonar at the
>>> same time is to be sure that you have audio interfaces that work with
>>> both.
>>> Sonar supports lots of different audio interfaces, but Pro Tools is
>>> very picky. Some M-Audio interfaces work. Some interfaces from Lynx
>>> work. A very few of the new Mackie mixers with built-in audio work.
>>> And, of course, the pricy Avid interfaces work, but those don't work
>>> well with Sonar. So, you can do it, but you need to research your
>>> choices first.
>>>
>>> Bryan
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>> On Behalf Of Mike C
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 4:47 PM
>>> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Mac support for CakeTalking and Sonar
>>>
>>> HI there brandin, personally I have a Mac systemw ith Sonar, and
>>> Caketalking, along with a motu, and v-studio 100 sound card, and all
>>> of my gear is working smoothly on the duel boot system.
>>> I think who ever told you that it wouldn't work smoothly is giving
>>> you the wrong information.
>>> The problem in which the duel system doesn't work properly if lets
>>> say you are running Desktop parellel, and or Fusion, then I wouldn't
>>> recommend this system is the drivers on some sound cards, and midi
>>> gear simply don't work smoothly.
>>> However if you set up a duel boot, your booting streight in to
>>> windows your system works just like a Pc as all new Macs use the same
>>> Pc components.
>>> Another thing to note is that if you are using Jaws and Caketalking
>>> on the Windows side of things on the Mac you will definatly need a
>>> full size desktop keyboard to operate properly.
>>> Infact My mac running Windows works better then the Pc desktop that I
>>> have.
>>> Finally when I installed Windows as a separate boot on my Mac and
>>> install all the drivers provided from the Mac Cd, my system worked
>>> like a charm.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps.
>>>
>>> P.S. pro tools answer in telling your teachers that they wouldn't
>>> make their effort to make their software accessible since Sonar is
>>> more accessible, is just a cop out from Avid's side.
>>> I'm only hoping the the 508 code comes in to effect with the Avid
>>> Folks in the future.
>>> From: Brandon Keith <mailto:brandonboy13@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 12:46 PM
>>> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Mac support for CakeTalking and Sonar
>>>
>>> I'm dealing with this problem atm... My schools recording studio is
>>> all Pro Tools based and my stuff is Sonar based. So what we have
>>> Hypothesized would be the best thing to do would be to have a
>>> fire-wire drive so we can transfer from 1 computer to another. I was
>>> told that having the dule-boot-up system would not be the best thing
>>> because there was some problems with all the hardware and whatnot not
>>> working smoothly. But My teachers have been talking to the guys at
>>> Avid who are in charge of the accessibility on Pro Tools and they
>>> said there wouldn't ever be full accessibility for Pro Tools because
>>> for one it's not worth their time, and second they don't want to
>>> compete with Sonar which already is way more accessible than pro
>>> Tools could be in a long time.
>>> So I'd advise getting your own custom built DAW with Sonar.
>>> And BTW I think the person you are wanting to be would be a mixer...
>>> I believe mastering usually comes along with that, but here where I
>>> am you go to a group of people for recording, go to another person
>>> for mixing then for mastering, then you go to your producer if you
>>> have one and they say yes or no then depending on what other people
>>> you have on your production loop it gets printed. So the guys who add
>>> affects like that are usually the mixers.
>>> Mastering is more of the details, after it gets mixed there is still
>>> like a vibe that needs to be gotten out of the sound and a feel that
>>> the music needs to send out and the mastering guy amplifies that.
>>> But basically (I know here) you should know how to do everything at
>>> least a little... I'm more in the mixing, mastering and performing
>>> stuff, but I still do miking and engineering if I can... :P Hope this
>>> helps and sorry for my long sentences...
>>> Brandon Keith
>>>
>>> Check out
>>> MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/brandonkeithcom
>>> Also add me on facebook!
>>> brandonkeith
>>>
>>> From: Cameron <mailto:cameron@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 9:15 AM
>>> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Mac support for CakeTalking and Sonar
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi. So you could have a dual boot machine of course. Sometimes you
>>> need to use another OS for some tasks, so, you'd have it there if
>>> required.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> For example, you could have pro tools on the mac OS X side, and,
>>> sonar on the windows side.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cameron.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>> On Behalf Of neville
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 12:12 PM
>>> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Mac support for CakeTalking and Sonar
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What would be the purpose for doing that?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> May the peace of God which passes all understanding guard your heart
>>> and mind in Christ Jesus. God bless you!
>>>
>>> Music soft sacred and soulful
>>>
>>> Website http://www.nevillepeter.com
>>>
>>> email neville@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>> phone 407-222-4488
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>> From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>> On Behalf Of Kevin Gibbs
>>> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 3:31 PM
>>> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Mac support for CakeTalking and Sonar
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sonar is a Windows only product. It is possible to run Windows on a Mac.
>>> that requires a separate Windows partition running under Bootcamp or
>>> VM Fusion. Your Mac behaves as if it were a Windows PC when this
>>> partition is invoked.
>>>
>>> Kevin
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>> On Behalf Of Chelsea Dye
>>> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 2:00 PM
>>> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [ddots-l] Mac support for CakeTalking and Sonar
>>>
>>> Hi list,
>>>
>>> I'm considering getting a Mac, and was wondering what support is
>>> available for Dancing Dots products. Also, can Braille displays such
>>> as the one that is part of the Pac Mate work with Macs?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Chelsea
>>>
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