[dance-tech] Re: london dance film festival / critical debate / postchoreography

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There is also the Opensource:{video-dance} 2007  (20-24 November) in
Scotland which coincides with TeDance in Lisbon.





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hi again,

in fact, I just realised, Emergent Objects event in Leeds (17-19 dec) will
run three days parallel to the madrid event (17-23 dec)... i guess it's
difficult to avoid at times... and the week before there is the Intimacy
event in London. 

Am I missing anything in those dates?? what about US, australia, etc...? I
know some people are at a different event in australia in december too.


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and we also lack a bit of coordination: in the same days between 19-25
november there is a coincidence of no less than three international events: 


Cynetart in Dresden, 

TeDance in Lisbon, and the 

Enaction Conference in Grenoble...


I spent a lot of time making sure that the event we organise in december in
Madrid is not coinciding with anything alse... I hope nothing suddely turns
up in those days... maybe we could use the lists more to announce things
beforhand at times and check...


more thoughts later





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I don't have a lot of time to write more  specific response right now.

I think that we need to create our own site  as a social network. That will
allow us to feel a more face to face interconnected distributed dialog. That
technology will allow us to create "groups", post performances,  embed
videos, and our users will be able to visit their areas or  groups and
review different levels of discussion.

 I also propose to widen the focus to "new media and performance" or
embodied performance and computation, 

I am willing to set it up. ans

What do you think?

More thoughts later.





On Nov 3, 2007, at 4:16 PM, Johannes Birringer wrote:

Hi all



couldn't agree more with what Doug and Hélène are saying here.


What i regret, of course, is that there is indeed very little critical and
sustained debate,  even here, on new works or on festivals and curatorial
frameworks.... or relations for screen dance or new dance involving
screens/projections or developing mixed reality performances.  There are a
host of new issues that have arisen, 

perhaps not necessarily for choreography-for-camera- productions
(screendance), but for "choreography" or postchoreography as such, for
capture technologies, for movement as digital (data) processing, for
play/performance in virtual environments or worlds (Second Life has become a
screen world too, and I see performances happen therein), for dance with
wearables (wearable screens and flexible materials, garments, surfaces,
media skins, architectures), within the digital and real-time processing
worlds, within networked tele-plateaus.  


I don't think there is much debate here on these pages, anymore. Our
maillists have become feeble bulletin boards, occasional news items,
announcements,  and the dance-tech list also is in such a strange lull,  a
silent phase of no debate or exchange of viewpoints (last summer, Mark
Coniglio invited feedback to his latest video/performance/site specific
project, but I think the piece was shown/displayed on a blog site or YouTube
and commentators left their viewpoints there-else, ;  i think Marlon Barrios
Solano also mentioned to our community a few times that he had done
intereviews, and that was very informative and helpful and is to be
commended, but I think these interviews and podcasts then are stored or
displayed on blogs , and our attention and our reading/writing/communicating
further dissolved/dissiciated and distributed. 

 (I  seldom read blogs any more as i have simply not time to follow up all
the blig links i get sent),. 


so debate and controversy, as we still had it in the summer and fall of 2006
after a series of postings, has now been replaced by acquiescence?  and our
globalized standards of promotional etiquette  (.."superlative
descriptions"...)?  --   


i can't quite make sense of the silence either, except that demands on our
time and on production / R&D / and research (and on writing the superlative
press releases and writing the grants to have funds to make something can be
released and superlatived) have increased ..


surely there are planty of issues to discuss, and new workshops,
international labs, festivals and encuentros, as well premieres of new works
are happening all the time -- announcements of interesting gatherings in
Portugal and Spain just reached us. 


After the Moves Screen Choreography Conference in Manchester (June 2007), i
had also suggested to Simon and others that it would be good to have a
review of the conference and the festival, so others who were not there, as
well as the participants, could share some critical reflections on what was
said and presented. There were some highlights, and some weak points as
well, and the conference had an academic feel to it that surprised me --
could have been the environment.  Universities lecture rooms tend to have a
strange effect on art, and on dance,   Has any review been forthcoming?
Could we hear a counterreview of the festival (review) that sparked Doug's





Johannes Birringer

DAP Lab / Dans Sans Joux

West London 

UB8 3PH   UK

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Sent: Thu 11/1/2007 3:12 PM


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Hello MAD,


I have to second that comment!  I too read the article and was  

disappointed and dismayed with the level of analysis and discourse.   

I also looked at the program being shown in the festival and found it  

to be uninspiring, full of superlative descriptions (the best ever  

seen on the screen) that only diminished the seeming worth of the  

works, and with very little attempt to present what is a burgeoning  

genre with new works made all the time.  There seemed to be little  

interest on the part of the curator and in the article in truly  

experimental works.  I am revealing my bias here of course, but I  

think there are many many artists creating work that has nothing to  

do with Fred Astaire or Edouard Lock for that matter.  And there are  

ways to talk about and show that work which open up potential  

audiences to new experiences rather than, as Douglas says,  

reinforcing stereotypes.  Here here!


Helene Lesterlin







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Dear MAD community,

After reading the article and interview with Sandy Strallen at  

/4talent/feature.jsp?id=6207 that Simon  

forwarded to us, I feel compelled to comment.  The article puts  

forth a  view of dance film that is historically inaccurate, skewed  

toward a Hollywood model an one that exhibits a complete lack of  

understanding about film and media art culture in general.  In  

short it furthers an agenda that pits the commerce of art against  

the art of experimentation.  To state that,


"Part of the "problem" of recent dance on film is that it has often  

been a refuge for mediocre choreography using clever angles and  

lighting to fool audiences into thinking that we're seeing  

"dancefilm" .


is to simply rephrase the similar argument that was directed at the  

painting of the abstract expressionists, (for instance) ie, "my  

child could do that".  Without making any attempt to quantify what  

constitutes "good chorography" (is it ballet?) the text reinforces  

a modernist ideology about the work of art and genius that we know  

to be suspect at best.  I could go on, but I urge you all to take  

this polemical set of poorly researched non-arguments to task. It  

is difficult to tell which are the statements of Sandy Strellen and  

which are the words of the interviewer/author, but taken as a  

whole, the article irresponsibly reinforces cliched stereotypes and  

hackneyed observations.  I hope to continue this conversation with  

some of you at the upcoming OSVD at Findhorn.

Best to all,

Douglas Rosenberg




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In case you didn't have a closer look at the programme and some  













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School of Media Arts and Imaging

Duncan of Jordanstone

University of Dundee


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