[cryptome] Re: Cryptome: Enigma Machine for Sale: $228,500

  • From: Aftermath <aftermath.thegreat@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2015 01:48:10 -0700

Ok I glad you were joking. I would find it quite depressing and possibly
infuriating to explain to someone why an enigma machine would be a poor
choice to do online banking. Almost a relief to know it was a joke :)

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 1:23 AM, Douglas Rankine <
douglasrankine2001@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi Aftermath,

I think that building my own enigma machine would be a cool project
too... J. Thank you. And for all sorts of reasons, mostly to do with my
childhood upbringing.

My reference to my wife using the Enigma machine as a suitable form of
encryption and secure form of transmission of private information and data
between her and the bank, was indeed meant as a joke. I was trying to
communicate that encryption as a method of secure communications is in the
same bind in todays world of “advanced” communications, with software
programs and emulations, as the Enigma was with Ultra and Colossus.
And...no, my wife won’t be using enigma, to encipher her bank
transactions. It is enough for us both to use the banking system and, if
they make a security mistake the government guarantees repayment.

Unfortunately, using plain text and the email system has many shortcomings
and much can be lost in the method of communication, and it can be a great
challenge. Overcoming those limitations, even with the use of smileys and
other similar symbols can be very difficult, particularly when
communications between people are limited to the written word. We all use
sound, vision, body language and kinetic forms and senses to communicate
with one another, when we are face to face. The written word uses only
one form of communication and the other cues are missing.

Also, though some humour is universal, i.e. a joke which will make
everyone laugh, no matter their culture, age, or upbringing. It is only
the great comics like Charlie Chaplin who have managed to achieve this.
Humour, like our other senses is very much in the perceptions of the
beholder, whether it be ear, or eye, or a good tickle... J. Humour can
also be ethnic or cultural, or regional, or group based. The difference
between Japanese and Jewish, or Scottish and English, or sailors and
electricians. Also, there are some people who have various forms of autism
who find it difficult to decide, through no fault of their own, whether
something is or someone is being humorous or straight.

Do you like Charlie Chaplin? Watching someone slipping on a banana skin
is an example of what makes some people laugh, yet, some people don’t find
it funny at all; after all the consequences of doing so could be quite
devastating for the victim... J.



P.S. There are plenty of people and organisations in the world who still
can’t decipher encrypted data from an enigma machine...if only because they
don’t need to, don’t have one...and therefore don’t have the facilities and
know how to do so.

*From:* cryptome-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [
mailto:cryptome-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <cryptome-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On
Behalf Of *Aftermath
*Sent:* 03 June 2015 14:57

*To:* cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [cryptome] Re: Cryptome: Enigma Machine for Sale: $228,500


I encourage you to make a replica enigma machine. its a very cool project
to take on.

However, I dont think doing banking with an enigma machine would be very

I honestly cant tell if your comments are an attempt at humor.. How
exactly would you do banking with an enigma machine? Both parties have to
have to use the machine and both have to have the same configuration (key).

I believe that the enigma cypher is severely depreciated.

On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 2:31 AM, Douglas Rankine <
douglasrankine2001@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi Andrew & Aftermath,

Tx for the links. Now I have something to keep me occupied when I get
around to retiring... J. I dunno if I am so keen on those software
simulators though...too easily cracked for my liking, and the programming
allus puts me head in a muddle. I can see that there is a market for it
out there. All those disillusioned people running away from encryption
software and looking for better alternatives...

Physically building ones own though... Ideal little project, not too
costly and like going back to school, little bit of metalwork, bit of
woodwork, bit of electronic wiring, simple software...couldn’t’ t ask for
more as a computer illiterate, better than the old crystal sets. Are you
sure that it is approved by the NSA and GCHQ though? I mean, if I was to
let me missus loose on it and she had her bank and id compromised, I would
really be in deep shit.

I can see that the CIA would find it plausible, though they would probably
deny it!... J.



*From:* cryptome-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
cryptome-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Aftermath
*Sent:* 02 June 2015 19:34
*To:* cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [cryptome] Re: Cryptome: Enigma Machine for Sale: $228,500

emulator source code:

in-browser app: http://enigma.louisedade.co.uk/

On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Andrew Hornback <achornback@xxxxxxxxx>

30 seconds worth of Google searching turned up this...


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On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 1:41 PM, Douglas Rankine <
douglasrankine2001@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Dear Colleagues,

See url: http://cryptome.org/

At url:

I saw this for sale up at cryptome today. At $228,500 I would want it
guaranteed to pass global NSA/GCHQ/CIA security testing standards, as me
missus wants to use it for enciphering her banking transactions. Does any
of you security bods out there know if it meets those standards...and can
it be put in as an add on to Firefox or TOR via my laptop, and if there is
a micro-version.



P.S. Does anyone know if there is a DIY job which I can build meself and
is a lot cheaper?


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