Well! Much to my surprise...and the horror of the Big Yins, the
politicians, establishment, financiers, banks, the experts, the gurus
and the upper Middle Classes of England who work at the independent BBC,
the British people voted by 52% to 48% to come out of the European
Union. An historic event, a deliberate event, resulting in chaos in
the international financial markets...so much so that I couldn't invest
any money in shares this morning, due to my trader being unavailable,
perhaps some of the "secret" measures which have been taken by the Bank
of England to prevent the economy going down the pan...or it might just
be...that the stockbroker is a bit busy with people like me, the small
investor on a pension, turning his useless savings into an attempt at
capital gains. No millions of share trades a second for me then. I am
off on holiday shortly, and didn't buy any Euros, so I am losing out there.
It was all going so well on TV...the usual line up of commentators, of
pollsters, of politicians on both sides, of establishment figures, all
dressed up in their fine clothes, looking respectable and looking
forward to earning easy money in appearance fees at the license payers
expense and all clambering to get on the tele...knowing smiles between
them all, in the expectation that the people of the UK...or more
correctly, the English Shires, would vote for Remain.
And then...came Sunderland...a massive vote for no...Sunderland is in
the North of England, not all that big in population terms and hasn't
been doing very well economically, lots of unemployment and poor people,
low priced housing, unlike London with its housing and financial centres
all locked into Europe and the international financial markets, and
making plenty of spondoolix from their investments in housing and the
financial centre. The massive unexpected rejection of the EU, was a
small fact but which shook the foundations, the assumptions of
greatness; the stanchions of confidence...and wiped the smiles from the
faces of the Big Yins assembled at the BBC...From then on, it was a
downward trend...a terrible situation, all the usual diatribes,
monologues of self-recrimination, from the politicians of the main
parties, of how they should have listened to the people. The Labour
Party was already fucked...their role in the Scottish Independence
Referendum, done for them, lost them their credibility with the Scottish
people, and also affected the traditional confidence which the English
working classes had in them. The working classes of England ignored
their advice, knowing full well that their leader was tongue in cheek,
and only believed in the EU when he became Leader of the Labour Party.
The Tories were also fucked in Scotland, done for by Margaret Thatcher
and her poll tax which turned Scotland into a turmoil, they too were
split, it was their Eurosceptic M.P.s who organised the referendum and
the leave campaign. UKIP screwed up in the campaign, and Farage was all
over the place last night, but not very visible on the tele, claiming a
losing wicket at first, then claiming victory a tad too early...such is
the way of UKIP.
What a mix we have. Scotland and London and tiny Northern Ireland has
voted to continue with the EU. Whilst, most of the rest of England and
Wales has voted against our continuing membership. Scotland is now
saying that they will have another referendum, with a view to joining
the European Union as in independent nation...The financial markets have
reacted poorly to this new opportunity for the UK. So much for
entrepreneurship...more to do with defraying risk, than taking
risk...but isn't that the way of the capitalists, they do like to be
subsidised by the state when they take risks, then if all goes well,
they get the profits, and if it goes badly, the taxpayer bails them
out. Pyramids are crumbling, small is beautiful...the Wee Yins have
dumped on the Big Yins, but not for long. The European and World
markets and governments have not taken kindly to the vote...the Empire
will fight back.
Still, that is what politics and human relationships, between states,
governments, businesses and people is all about. Sometime, somewhere,
someone or something, throws a spanner in the works, and just as we
start to get complacent, along comes a kick up the arse and gets us all
going again.
Is this a move to the right or left, is it a move towards fascism?
Difficult to talk in those terms these day. Certainly moves towards
lots of little chaoses.
Is small beautiful? Will we see a break up of the EU, a new superstate
called the Disunited European Union, as part of the world free market,
along with the Disunited United Kingdom...and perhaps a Disunited States
of America under Donal Trump? Questions for the future...methinks.:-)
With kind regards,
Dougie.
P.S. Donal Trump is coming to Scotland today, to look down upon his
golfing empire. Some unkind Scot has posted a Mexican Flag on a high
flagpole in full view of the route of his cortège as he comes to
visit...what a welcome...:-).
P.P.S. And what about international security and intelligence...Will it
be less secure now that the UK has voted to leave the EU. Haven't heard
a dickey bird...maybe the answer to that is a...you've guessed it...a
secret...:-).
On 24/06/2016 00:13, Adrien Jolibert wrote:
Brexit is not loosing an opinion.
They are loosing democracy as in democrate. This is the sadness thing Europe can see and aplaude.
From Marx to others before thinkers, all the system is mad.
I am so sad all those smarts went dumb because all of you are enginees of massive destruction.
Europe is not A money but where people cross others.
Europe is where opinions differs and give richness.
Europe is build from its richness not its clossness.
A brexit was greater than a join because we are not sames.
Thank you for voting Britain. Bless on you.
On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 12:20 PM, douglas rankine <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
This morning...after a night of calm reflection...caused by one of
the most violent thunderstorms and floods of rain we have had in
years, I popped down to the polling station and voted. In the UK
one doesn't need any I.D. one just says ones name and address, the
polling clerk ticks the name on a list, a numbered ballot paper is
handed over, the number of the ballot paper is recorded on the
ballot list, and then goes off to cast ones vote in secret at the
ballot box. After filling it in, one duly deposits the folded
paper into a numbered ballot box, supervised by a ballot box
attendant and...it is all tickety boo, ready for the next citizen
to participate. The ballot box was made of canvas and sealed, and
when the paper was deposited, a flap made it difficult to get the
paper back out again. There were no police in attendance...after
all we are British, no one outside wanting to collect our polling
card and ask which way we voted, and there was a steady dribble of
people, mostly senior citizens.
After the polls are closed the ballot papers are taken, under
seal and the watchful eye of the Head Polling Clark to the nearest
counting station, where they are brought in and opened by counting
clerks under the watchful eyes of representatives of the main
political parties, and then they are counted. In the case of a
referendum, I don't know if there will be watchful eyes from the
political parties, or who it is that will challenge any ballot
papers which have been filled our wrongly or are of doubtful
clarity...apart from the elections officers. That will be an
interesting one to find out. The United Nations committee on such
matters, reckons that the UK has one of the worst voting systems
in the world...worse than any 3rd world country, ever since Tony
Blair changed it so that there could be polling stations in the
likes of Tescos and where it was made a lot easier for postal
voting to take place. It is reckoned that around one third of
votes take place through the postal vote and they have all been
done weeks ago, so the main campaign has little or no influence on
those votes. The results will be decided on those who vote today,
particularly that 10% or so, the ones, like me, who kept their
options open until the moment of casting.
It was so easy, I am wondering why this is the first time I have
voted in years...must have been some reason...the lesser of two
evils perhaps, or the evil of two lessers. We have two methods of
voting in the UK, one is secret ballot by post, where the
householder can send in the ballot papers for everyone in the
house, the other is by attendance at the secret ballot. We also
have two selection methods in UK elections, the general election
is done by the "first past the post" system, which produces a
majority in a constituency, but has led to minority governments
being elected since the end of the Second World War, and we have a
proportional representation system, which allows UKIP to get
European M.P.s elected to the European Union. As the referendum
has no candidates, and only one question with two answers, first
past the post will win...No gradiated answers here...like how keen
I am on saying yes or no, on a grade up to 10, or room for
alternative kinds of European Union, like a common market and not
a European Super State...
Yougov, of which I am a member, a most respected pollster in the
UK, which is why I am a member, plus they give you points for
every piece of your nakedness that you reveal, and points mean
prizes...£50 for 5000 points which one gets roughly every 5
years....composed of experts in polling systems, and people from
the BBC and getting results which are reasonably accurate (apart
from the last general election) sent me an email last night asking
if I was voting, at roughly what time in the day I will be voting,
and how I will be voting. The reason they wanted to know, was so
that they could beat everyone else by sending me another email
after I have voted to confirm that I had voted, so coming up with
the result, one way or the other, before anyone else does...and
even before the polling has ended...except they won't be able to
publish it, due to a forbidding clause in the Representation of
the People Act 1948, as amended blah blah blah. Good ole
computers and clever use of them and clever marketing are all the
play today, saves on people standing out in the thundering rain,
collecting individual responses, in the thousands of polling
stations around the country...Nuffink like having efficient
computers. We will become a First World country soon, getting
electronic voting, just like the US of A...but not quite
yet...problem of trust, apparently...:-).
And which way did I vote...I bet you are all wanting to
know...:-). No, non, nein, and nyet.
Tattybye for now.
Dougie.
P.S. I reckon that Remain will win, by 58% to 43%.
P.P.S And, just for the crack, seeing as we are all experts in
deception on this mailing list...apart from each other...of
course...where honesty, sincerity and accurate non-selective
information dominates... Did you know that 5 eyes are unanimous
that for reasons of security and intelligence in the western
world, it is better that the UK remains a member. And where did
that come from...some classified, secret document....No,no, no. The big yin, the top dog of the the leader of the Scottish
Conservative Party revealed that wee gem. Up until lately, I
think she was the only member of the Scottish Conservative
Party...but things will change...
On 22/06/2016 12:35, Joe Products wrote:
I am for Remain.
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Datum: 22. 6. 2016 12:44:02
Předmět: [cryptome] Re: Brexit v Bremain: EU Referendum 2016
It has been argued that the smaller the government the
better, and conversely,
the larger the worse.
The few who most benefit from larger are adamant about its
necessity. And
will go to war -- police, civil, global -- to protect the top
of the pyramid.
And will empower spies, police, military, justice, to do what
is necessary
to protect the privileged few inside and outside government.
And conspire with other pyramid tops to assure their
perpetuation.
And will enforce pyramid top policies upon smaller by
whatever means
are necessary: military, propaganda, education, bribery,
coercion,
insurrection, revolution.
And will legislate laws to justify perpetuation and
criminalize opposition,
and condone whatever means are necessary.
And will squander societal, economic and physical resources
in the
name of "national security," a euphemism for larger government's
pyramid topism.
And will propound the notion that enlightened, benevolent
leadership
is essential for peace, security and civilization, while
demonstrating
as necessary the murderous mass brutality to suppress opposition
at home and abroad, in consort with other like-minded, heavily
armed pyramid tops.
Statements like this assure placement in a dossier of opposition.
So it must be said, this is only a means to seduce others to hang
themselves.
