Re: [cpsig] Re: Train Master in Vermont?

  • From: "Doug Cummings" <DougCummings@xxxxxxx>
  • To: <cpsig@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:38:27 -0800

Locomotives being sold for scrap or salvage or whatever you want to call it generally are stripped before shipment and the railroad(s) take off what they can reuse. It would be extremely rare for them to be shipped off with the bell and horn still on them. Good wheels would be replaced and worn out ones would go with the locomotive to the scrap yard, and lots of other bits and pieces would also be salvaged.

The photo is not a dead line photo. As far as I know no one has suggested it is. But I highly doubt that it is headed for scrap either. Locomotives going for scrap do not usually look as clean and as intact as this one. Generally speaking, they look like they are going for scrap.

As far as weight is concerned, there are two factors. You have total weight and axle loading. A large locomotive can have a lighter axle loading than a smaller one, it can also be the other way around. This is why many six axle locomotives can operate over trackage that some four axle ones cannot. A 200-ton six axle locomotive has a 33 1/3 ton axle load. A 140-ton four axle locomotive has a 35-ton axle load. However there are other factors, when it comes to bridges total weight can be more important than the axle loading.

Unless someone can come up with proof otherwise it is my view 8906 is in service in the photos in question.

Doug



John, I prefer Walter's explanation of the misread date on
the slides. As documented in "Canadian Pacific Diesel
Locomotives" 8906, 8911, 8913, 8914, 8915 and 8919 were
sold to Striegel (mispelled in the book) Supply in Baltimore
on May 27, 1968. I don't believe it was for scrapping but
rather salvage especially for the engines which were in high
demand in a variety of applications. Striegel's website seems
to bear that out http://www.striegelsupply.com/ . Given that
8906 appears intact, including bell and whistles, from the
photos it is unlikely that she and her sisters were in a
deadline.

Just a thought,

Rainer

--- In cpsig@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "John Hutchins" <hutchfye@...> wrote:

I've learned the hard way never to say never but...

A TM OPERATING on the Newport and Lyndonville SD's at that time
seems very odd as they were pretty heavy units, right? RS10's,
RS18's
and the original RS2's were the regulars for road work at that time.
Also most (all?) TM's were assigned to BC by that point anyway as I
recall. So the most obvious answer given Don H's definitive response
is that it moved out of the dead line at Angus.

The 2-year period between that sighting and the 1968 scrapping isn't
necessarily that odd either. Scrap dealers buy when prices are low
and sell when the market is good for scrap. (Maybe somebody knows
what prevailing prices were in 1966 and 1968 to help prove/disprove
that in this case??) In the meantime there's plenty of time to
strip
and sell anything Angus hadn't already removed or even entertain
resale
of the unit. It's happened before...

John

John Hutchins, P.O. Box 595, Littleton, MA 01460-0595




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