Re: [ConstellationTalk] What is

  • From: Maria Bürger-de Castillo <mkbdc@xxxxxx>
  • To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 10:51:42 +0200

Dear Anngwyn , Dear all,

I am following Bert and  later on Bert and Sophie for many years.

I remember one constellation in Würzburg or Cologne: An Eritrean or Ethiopian refugee was said:Go back to your country. There were several waves of excited protest between the German constellators and other persons in the public. Among them there was Peter Levine. He observed the reaction of this client and said to Bert: I saw her body trembling. This was a good trauma therapy you did.

In this film which dates from 15-10 years ago, there are some details I don’t understand . But the basic principles of life which are taught by Bert and Sophie also in this workshop always deal with the question of life or death. So it is so important to bring the client to her corresponding place, being the small one in front of her mother. If she does not find this place, she will “be lost”, with the words of Bert. So this is the wish of Sophie to intervene in this danger to save the client. Sometimes when Bert says “We leave it here” she continues as she will not accept that they can do nothing for this person. I agree that sometimes her temparament leads her to reactions we don’t approve. But also such interventions sometimes have positive results we can not believe.

In this important issue I have seen so many constellations and I have seen so many expressions of thanks given by the clients.

In the case of this film I recognize one friend of mine in the round, and I will ask her if she knows more details about this workshop and if there was found a help for this lady on the other days following.

What I don’t know is if the person who has published this video was authorized to do so. In former years the registrations only were reserved to the participants.

With best wishes to you all
Maria     (Excuse my bad English)


Am 19.04.2017 um 08:12 schrieb anngwyn@xxxxxxx [ConstellationTalk]:



Springtime Greetings from Arizona !

In response to Giselle's understandable discomfort, I am reminded of
Bert's early teachings which still resonate for me,  which involves,
simply " *Acknowledging What Is* " and he wrote a book with that title.
And so for me, what is  that Bert and Sophie have often physically,
emotionally,and spiritually  abused,  re-traumatized and publicly
humiliated more than a few trusting people in pain, who have appealed to
them for help.  For me, as a trauma specialist, this has everything to
do with power over and not much to offer in the genuine interest of
healing. As  a result I have taken some distance for many years now,
and  Bert's early teachings remain a profound source of inspiration for
me, still.
Watching this video, my heart hurt for many reasons.  I find it quite
remarkable that thousands will travel far and pay good money to subject
themselves to such abuse and then passively sit, in
unexamined,complicit, silence,for years of top down arrogance and
exploitation. In this case, the one brave voice of protest was excluded.
Is this not fascism?  Human nature, I sadly suppose...along  with a
persistent  belief is that there has to be some bon-bon somewhere deep
within such blatant ca-.ca.

 Individual discernment is so desperately needed...within what has
become a cult of iconic personalities, and it is also important to not
give up on the wealth of teachings that Bert's philosophical perspective
 has offered for so many of us in profound, and for me, life changing
ways. I so hope that no one will ever take any licence to physically,
emotionally or spiritually abuse anyone ever, in blind loyal imitation
of such clueless behavior as we see on this video and many other
instances, as well. Please bear in mind that one of the most important
tenets of trauma work is to never overwhelm an already overwhelmed
client and many, if not most, who come to SCW have some history of
trauma.  And for me, after working for many decades, with traumatized
people in pain,my heart has come to understand that it is often more
important to be kind, than to be right.

All for now,

Anngwyn St.just Ph.D
www.acst-international.com <http://www.acst-international.com>
http://anngwyn.wisrville.org



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