Hi Chris in Breaking Down the Walls of Silence, Alice Miller touches on this in
writing of the brutal childhoods of Ceausescu, Romanian dictator and Hitler
amongst others. Alice Miller writes “In my research I read the biographies of
a large number of famous people, and almost without exception I hit on the same
pattern everywhere: complete and utter denial of the severe suffering
experienced in childhood, not only among mass murderers and dictators, but also
among artists, writers, and philosophers”
Also in The Untouched Key and The Body Never Lies.
Thanks to all for an important discussion, most of which I agree with
Jonine
Australasian Constellation Intensive
Dr Guni Baxa, Stephan Hausner, Ingala Robl, Jan Jacob Stam, Margarete Koenning,
Mark Wolynn
www.constellationintensive.com <http://www.constellationintensive.com>
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This is a very important thread.
As a number of people have hinted it is about a maturation in the constellation
field. There is always a regret and a fear of arrogance when the student sees
past the teacher to greater truths, but it ultimately a necessary step if
growth is to continue. The fear of arrogance just serves to keep us honest -
not a bad thing.
One sign of maturation is the integration of other schools of thought and
understanding. Another is the development of a humility that sees
constellations as one of many possible interventions and ways of understanding
the world. It is no longer seen as the unique solution for all humanity's
problems, that stands above everything else, but rather it is finding the right
place for itself in the constellation of therapies, philosophies, sciences and
arts. How wonderful!
Elmar made a point about Alice Millar's work saying she
"challenges any fundamentalist belief in the Orders of Love while respecting
history, the embodied unconscious, and the damage wrought by parents and those
in authority over others. She uncovers the roots of fascism in childhood
traumas re-enacted at collective levels. It is at the place where there is
power difference in relationship that most care needs to be taken and where
most traumatic damage is caused and most re-wounding happens."
While I am familiar with her work I, have not actually read much of it and I
was wondering if Elmar or anyone else has a reference for the point that the
roots of fascism are in childhood traumas and are re-enacted at collective
levels.
Any assistance would be much appreciated
Cheers
Chris Walsh
Melbourne, Australia
ph +61 (0)3 9420 1425
www.cwalsh.com.au <http://www.cwalsh.com.au>
On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 11:36 PM, 'Eimear O'Neill' eimear@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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wrote:
Alice Miller, Polish-Jewish therapist, researcher and artist should be
suggested reading for working in family and systemic constellations. Her work
challenges any fundamentalist belief in the Orders of Love while respecting
history, the embodied unconscious, and the damage wrought by parents and those
in authority over others. She uncovers the roots of fascism in childhood
traumas re-enacted at collective levels. It is at the place where there is
power difference in relationship that most care needs to be taken and where
most traumatic damage is caused and most re-wounding happens. For me as a
trauma therapist, constellations training with someone working from an
indigenous perspective, supported power literacy, humility in the face of
mystery, respect for ‘resistance’ and trust in the Field. Resistance reveals
the other does not feel safe. Park your ego outside. With trust in the Field,
you don’t need to push, interpret from your perspective and certainly not apply
physical, emotional or epistemological violence to get what you believe is a
“good outcome”. We each bring our own wounds when we step into this work. As
Rumi reminds us, we each, however lauded by others, need to “Keep an eye on the
bandaged place.”
Constellations work is moving into a more self-reflective phase. I agree with
Anngywn and Deborah… in terms of publicly naming imperious arrogance…and of
honouring Hellingers’ contributions while developing our collective capacity
for understanding the historic and familial/familiar patterns of dominance and
abuse. I’d add that speaking truth to power is important at multiple levels, to
maintain our humanity in the face of the normalized abuses of power by
governments, corporations and institutions so rampant right now. Systemic
constellations helps us see those patterns. We need to support each other in
refusing to stay quiet or normalise them. Our ancestors, past and future, are
with us on this one.
Warmly
Eimear
Eimear O'Neill PhD
www.eimearoneill.com <http://www.eimearoneill.com>
‘If we surrendered/ to earth’s intelligence, we could rise up rooted, like
trees."Rainer Maria Rilke:
On 19 April 2017 at 06:19, Deborah Crowe deborahcrowe@xxxxxxxxx
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wrote:
Thank you Anngwyn.
It seems a combination of the "Emperor's new clothes" and 'Don't throw the baby
out with the bathwater" are appropriate here.
Warm regards
Deborah
On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 6:27 PM, Linda Conyard linda.conyard@xxxxxxxxxxx
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wrote:
Beautiful Anngwyn xxxx
On 19 Apr 2017, at 4:12 pm, anngwyn@xxxxxxx <mailto:anngwyn@xxxxxxx>
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Springtime Greetings from Arizona !
In response to Giselle's understandable discomfort, I am reminded of Bert's
early teachings which still resonate for me, which involves, simply "
Acknowledging What Is " and he wrote a book with that title. And so for me,
what is that Bert and Sophie have often physically, emotionally,and
spiritually abused, re-traumatized and publicly humiliated more than a few
trusting people in pain, who have appealed to them for help. For me, as a
trauma specialist, this has everything to do with power over and not much to
offer in the genuine interest of healing. As a result I have taken some
distance for many years now, and Bert's early teachings remain a profound
source of inspiration for me, still.
Watching this video, my heart hurt for many reasons. I find it quite
remarkable that thousands will travel far and pay good money to subject
themselves to such abuse and then passively sit, in unexamined,complicit,
silence,for years of top down arrogance and exploitation. In this case, the one
brave voice of protest was excluded. Is this not fascism? Human nature, I
sadly suppose...along with a persistent belief is that there has to be some
bon-bon somewhere deep within such blatant ca-.ca.
Individual discernment is so desperately needed...within what has become a
cult of iconic personalities, and it is also important to not give up on the
wealth of teachings that Bert's philosophical perspective has offered for so
many of us in profound, and for me, life changing ways. I so hope that no one
will ever take any licence to physically, emotionally or spiritually abuse
anyone ever, in blind loyal imitation of such clueless behavior as we see on
this video and many other instances, as well. Please bear in mind that one of
the most important tenets of trauma work is to never overwhelm an already
overwhelmed client and many, if not most, who come to SCW have some history of
trauma. And for me, after working for many decades, with traumatized people in
pain,my heart has come to understand that it is often more important to be
kind, than to be right.
All for now,
Anngwyn St.just Ph.D
www.acst-international.com <http://www.acst-international.com/>
http://anngwyn.wisrville.org ;<http://anngwyn.wisrville.org/>
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Deborah Crowe
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+64 (0) 21 776769 <tel:+64%2021%20776%20769>
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