[CIAM-F6-Working_Group] Re: Back to work
- From: Robert Herzog <Robert.Herzog@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: ciam-f6-wg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 14:50:48 +0200
Guy Revel a écrit :
Hi Richard,
Yes I understand and yo have good arguments.
But you see how all matters are interrelated. A 5x2 with scores
written on a score sheet, back to be processed at the end of the slote
to provide the accumulated times is a big no-no if you want to
interest more than the competitors themselves. Using two timepieces is
out.So we are left with a specially-made software and wireless
comunication. 0f course it can be done (I'm sure Tomas is already
thinking about it) and PDA's are getting common nowadays, but I just
waqnt to underline that writing rules without a mean to make them
practical would not reach the goal.
It would be increasingly easy to disseminate a specially-written
software, probably for Windows Mobile, and have it work on most PDAs,
but is has to be done or the goal will not be reached.
Well, we are still at the beginning of the road anyway. Any more idea
about the 5x2 or a version of it to replace the knock-out finals ?
Guy R.
At 19:21 02/07/2009, you wrote:
/I see where you are going with the idea. However having a max-flight
time of 2 minutes will provide more separation in the scores for
several reasons.
1. Only in exceptional conditions can all pilots expect to get 2
minutes from all-5 flights. If we extended the maximum flight time,
pilots who might not be able to fly 2 mins for all five flights,
might bag a 5 minute flight when it is possible in the round, meaning
all other flights only have to be around the 1:15 mark. Obviously
this turns the task into a pure turn-around test and will provide
less separation in the scores.
2. With a maximum flight time, some tactics do have to come into
play. Flying even a fraction longer than 2mins is wasted time and
will show up in the scores. Pilots who are really fighting will aim
to land on 1:59 so there is no time wasted in the air (turnarounds
take > than 1 second). This is much more of a test for pilots and
will provide a greater separation in scores.
3. In difficult conditions when 2:00 is not easy to achieve, then the
pilot with the best ability to keep his model in the air will win.
4. In good conditions, with all pilots able to fly for 2 minutes, it
is an exciting spectacle to watch them all catch and launch at the
same time.
Importantly, the F3K 5x2 pilot is a well liked task by hand-launch
pilots. It tests them on a variety of skills and is the most
physically demanding of all.
I have attached some individual round results from UK competitions
using the 5x2 task. As you can see it is very uncommon for a pilot to
get within 15 seconds of a “perfect” 600 seconds (it is also
impossible to get 600 seconds). Only on one occasion have pilots ever
tied scores.
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Dear friends,
I must say I kind of like the replacement of the knock-out final with
the 5x2 minutes task. The knock out was too much of a pure luck task.
And if we can reach the real-time 600 sec. count down for all
participants in the final, it is bound to be a crowd pleaser.
As a poor man's alternative to a large video display, it would be nice
to display the number of launches each pilot already did at any time
during the 10 min. slot. This could be a strictly hardware (cardboard
panels) device actuated by helpers at the sign of their corresponding
timekeeper.
Thanks to Richard for the useful detailed results tables he provided
yesterday.
Robert
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