On Thu, 2003-09-04 at 23:58, phrostie wrote: > who was first? The SVG project looks recent (2003). The company that does lighting is more worrying. I will make a discrete enquiry to their sales office as an interested customer methinks. The good thing about SourceForge is we can show a file history date and original date of the start of the project, as it records it all. > did you find them or did they find you? I found them. > does the company formerly known as Kaldera use the term anywhere in Cistam \/. > :-) I remember seeing a window cleaning company called "Windows 2000" with it written across the side of their van photographed and linked on slashdot :-) the caption was something like "how long till these guys get sued?" Guy