What were the departure and arrival airports and I will give it a go in the
same aircraft and see what happens.
Jordan
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Hi Jordan et al,
I don’t know what happened, but I’m 99% certain I followed ATC directives to
the letter, and my C172 still crashed on the way in.. I wonder why Robert and I
got such very different results.
The logs were split into several files, for some reason. I can attach them all
here if it would help, but this is the only flight I conducted today, 12/30.
I’m probably going to call it quits on trying this particular flight assignment.
Thanks for the help,
Zack.
On Dec 29, 2016, at 10:56 PM, Jordan Gallacher <jordanandseptember@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Microsoft's ATC is notoriously bad in mountainous terrain. Unfortunately,
there are no good solutions from my experience. I suggest finding two things
which are the elevation of the airport and the minimum safe altitude. The
general rule I use in those areas is to stay at minimum 2000ft above the
deck. In other words, if the airport is at 5000ft, I want to be no less than
7000ft on the approach. The next video I upload of flying will demonstrate
this.
Jordan
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On Dec 30, 2016, at 12:21 AM, Hadi Rezaei <hadirezaei@xxxxxxx> wrote:Blind and Visually impaired Pilots mailinglist
I also forgot to mention. Never take speed control of the aircraft
from Michel at any point of the flight unless you know what you're doing, an
online ATC instructs you to do that, or someone tells you to do that in a
come fly with me sessions (I remember Robert or Clive used to do that
sometimes) If you change the speed manually, or tell michel to change the
virticle rate of climb or descend You'll take the speed control from her
and at this point You will have to fly by chart or someone else guiding you.
On 12/30/2016 9:45 AM, Joshua Tubbs wrote:
Let’s hope this flight wasn’t for some airline that perhaps required
him to go VFR. Let the nightmares begin, in that case…
On Dec 30, 2016, at 1:12 AM, Hadi Rezaei <hadirezaei@xxxxxxx> wrote:Blind and Visually impaired Pilots mailinglist
Hi there
MCE will not help you at all in regards to this.
Usually, If you find the pdf file of the chart of your airport, There is
a safe minimum altitude stated. But in regards to approaches, Microsoft
ATC 95% of the time will guide you through the approach safely. All you
have to do is fly IFR, and do exactly as the ATC states.
If for whatever reason, Microsoft ATC is giving you wrong vectors, (Which
I think has happened to me only once or twice of all the flights I had),
You have to either try radar contact 4, some other ATC software, or
alternatively an online controller in VATSIM or IVAO network.
Honestly, I think that you should try this again, closely follow the
procedures, checklists and microsoft ATC's instructions in an IFR flight.
and You will be fine.
On 12/30/2016 8:57 AM, Zachary Kline wrote:Blind and Visually impaired Pilots mailinglist
Hey,
It was IYP. I don’t know what might help aside from reading the visual
charts, which we obviously can’t, or taking a guess at a safe altitude
above any obstacles. I guess I was asking for it flying in the Cascades,
but I’d hope there’s something better we can do.
On Dec 29, 2016, at 9:24 PM, Joshua Tubbs <orin8722@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:Blind and Visually impaired Pilots mailinglist
Were you using IYP or MCE? Maybe MCE may help in this instance?
On Dec 29, 2016, at 11:26 PM, Zachary Kline <zkline@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>Blind and Visually impaired Pilots mailinglist
wrote:
Hi All,
I wonder if there’s any way to fly safely in mountainous areas? I’ve
crashed on the way to KESW, Easton State Airport, a couple times, and
wondered if there was anything I could do differently.
I was trying both a VFR and IFR flight. I made it farther in the IFR,
but at one point I think ATC may have misvectored me. THe flight in
question is from WN53 to KESW.
ANy thoughts appreciated.
Thanks,
Zack.Blind and Visually impaired Pilots mailinglist
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