Hi robert,
This is interesting. I’ll definitely have to try the flight a fourth time. I
wish I knew why I was getting such a different result. Is it possible to glean
anything from the logs? It was flown online.
Thanks,
Zack.
On Dec 30, 2016, at 8:08 PM, Robert Cezar <robert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hello Zack,
On approach to Visual Runway 9, there's a 1,900 foot mountain right on final.
Michelle actually needed to climb over that mountain and she did so as I
made the approach in a C172SP. Please see the attached log file.
Robert
On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 5:28 PM, Zachary Kline <zkline@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:zkline@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Hey Jordan,
As a follow-up, I was trying to make an approach to runway 9, which seems to
be over pretty mountain-ish terrain. I wonder if part of the explanation is
that Robert was vectored to runway 27.
I didn’t use the “expect vectors,” command, which is something else I should
probably try. I had forgotten about it until just now.
Thanks,
Zack.
On Dec 30, 2016, at 1:36 PM, Jordan Gallacher <jordanandseptember@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:jordanandseptember@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Okay. I will try it later on today or tomorrow.
Jordan
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Hi Jordan,
I was departing WN53, Frontier Airpark, and arriving KESW, Easton State in
a Cessna Skyhawk.
THanks for any help,
Zack.
On Dec 30, 2016, at 1:31 PM, Jordan Gallacher
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What were the departure and arrival airports and I will give it a go in
the same aircraft and see what happens.
Jordan
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Hi Jordan et al,
I don’t know what happened, but I’m 99% certain I followed ATC directives
to the letter, and my C172 still crashed on the way in.. I wonder why
Robert and I got such very different results.
The logs were split into several files, for some reason. I can attach them
all here if it would help, but this is the only flight I conducted today,
12/30. I’m probably going to call it quits on trying this particular
flight assignment.
Thanks for the help,
Zack.
On Dec 29, 2016, at 10:56 PM, Jordan Gallacher
<jordanandseptember@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:jordanandseptember@xxxxxxxxx>>
wrote:
Microsoft's ATC is notoriously bad in mountainous terrain. Unfortunately,
there are no good solutions from my experience. I suggest finding two
things which are the elevation of the airport and the minimum safe
altitude. The general rule I use in those areas is to stay at minimum
2000ft above the deck. In other words, if the airport is at 5000ft, I
want to be no less than 7000ft on the approach. The next video I upload
of flying will demonstrate this.
Jordan
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On Dec 30, 2016, at 12:21 AM, Hadi Rezaei <hadirezaei@xxxxxxxBlind and Visually impaired Pilots mailinglist
<mailto:hadirezaei@xxxxxxx>> wrote:
I also forgot to mention. Never take speed control of the aircraft
from Michel at any point of the flight unless you know what you're
doing, an online ATC instructs you to do that, or someone tells you to
do that in a come fly with me sessions (I remember Robert or Clive used
to do that sometimes) If you change the speed manually, or tell michel
to change the virticle rate of climb or descend You'll take the speed
control from her and at this point You will have to fly by chart or
someone else guiding you.
On 12/30/2016 9:45 AM, Joshua Tubbs wrote:
Let’s hope this flight wasn’t for some airline that perhaps
required him to go VFR. Let the nightmares begin, in that case…
On Dec 30, 2016, at 1:12 AM, Hadi Rezaei <hadirezaei@xxxxxxxBlind and Visually impaired Pilots mailinglist
<mailto:hadirezaei@xxxxxxx>> wrote:
Hi there
MCE will not help you at all in regards to this.
Usually, If you find the pdf file of the chart of your airport, There
is a safe minimum altitude stated. But in regards to approaches,
Microsoft ATC 95% of the time will guide you through the approach
safely. All you have to do is fly IFR, and do exactly as the ATC
states.
If for whatever reason, Microsoft ATC is giving you wrong vectors,
(Which I think has happened to me only once or twice of all the
flights I had), You have to either try radar contact 4, some other ATC
software, or alternatively an online controller in VATSIM or IVAO
network.
Honestly, I think that you should try this again, closely follow the
procedures, checklists and microsoft ATC's instructions in an IFR
flight. and You will be fine.
On 12/30/2016 8:57 AM, Zachary Kline wrote:Blind and Visually impaired Pilots mailinglist
Hey,
It was IYP. I don’t know what might help aside from reading the
visual charts, which we obviously can’t, or taking a guess at a safe
altitude above any obstacles. I guess I was asking for it flying in
the Cascades, but I’d hope there’s something better we can do.
On Dec 29, 2016, at 9:24 PM, Joshua Tubbs <orin8722@xxxxxxxxxBlind and Visually impaired Pilots mailinglist
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Were you using IYP or MCE? Maybe MCE may help in this instance?
On Dec 29, 2016, at 11:26 PM, Zachary Kline <zkline@xxxxxxxxxxxxxBlind and Visually impaired Pilots mailinglist
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Hi All,
I wonder if there’s any way to fly safely in mountainous areas?
I’ve crashed on the way to KESW, Easton State Airport, a couple
times, and wondered if there was anything I could do differently.
I was trying both a VFR and IFR flight. I made it farther in the
IFR, but at one point I think ATC may have misvectored me. THe
flight in question is from WN53 to KESW.
ANy thoughts appreciated.
Thanks,
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