[brailleblaster] Re: Thoughts and questions on views
- From: Keith Creasy <kcreasy@xxxxxxx>
- To: "brailleblaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <brailleblaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:10:08 +0000
Oh, I'm actually calling the "word processor" view a "text" view. This matches
the class names in the project.
Keith Creasy
Software Developer
American Printing House for the Blind
KCreasy@xxxxxxx
Phone: 502.895.2405
Skype: keith537
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Subject: [brailleblaster] Re: Thoughts and questions on views
Thanks, sounds good to me.
John G
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Subject: [brailleblaster] Re: Thoughts and questions on views
It sounds like you have it just about right. The only exception is that, at
least in this first cycle, the Browser (HTML) view is read-only.
Keith Creasy
Software Developer
American Printing House for the Blind
KCreasy@xxxxxxx
Phone: 502.895.2405
Skype: keith537
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Subject: [brailleblaster] Re: Thoughts and questions on views
I'm getting a bit lost in this conversation, so let me review what I think is
being done. I believe that there will be at least four views, a "word
processor" view, a "HTML" view, a Braille view, and a text view where the text
is formatted to match the Braille.
* the "word processor" and "html" views are linked so that one could edit
either, and the other will update.
* the Braille and text views will be updated more or less automatically when
the word processor/HTML views are updated.
* the Braille and ink views can be edited independently and the changes can be
locked so they will not be changed when the Braille/text view is next updated.
These changes do not affect the other views.
If I'm confused, please unconfused me!
Thanks.
John G
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Subject: [brailleblaster] Re: Thoughts and questions on views
John.
Yes, it is a Browser view. Sorry for the confusion. It's just to allow users to
see everything in its oribinal context.
View Plus has just mentioned a time or two that they'd like to overlap text and
braille. Beyond that there isn't much more to say. I'd just like to keep things
open to do that if they want to at some point. For now the text and braille
views accomplish the same thing just in side-by-side views rather than them
being overlapped.
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Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 12:23 PM
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Subject: [brailleblaster] Re: Thoughts and questions on views
Hi Keith,
There are a lot of things in your original reply that I will be thinking about.
I agree that it might be best to srart over with Documentmanager (or
DocumentClient).
What is ViewPlus doing about editing print and Braille? If this is proprietary
information we might discuss it in the steering committee?
I can understand a tree view, but why do we need an html view? Isn't it more
properly a browser view?
John B
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 05:04:29PM +0000, Keith Creasy wrote:
> Hmmm, that would be an interesting approach, make one of the views
transparent so the content could overlap in a clever way. It might work.
>
>
>
>
> Keith Creasy
> Software Developer
> American Printing House for the Blind
> KCreasy@xxxxxxx
> Phone: 502.895.2405
> Skype: keith537
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: brailleblaster-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:brailleblaster-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Gardner
> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 12:01 PM
> To: brailleblaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [brailleblaster] Re: Thoughts and questions on views
>
> Hi Keith, John B mentioned a text+Braille view. This is something
> that
was discussed in the early planning stages of BrailleBlaster. But we dropped
it in favor of separate views. It would be nifty if the text view and the
Braille view could be superposed to show a "text+Braille" view - ie the
translation right above the Braille, something our users like. For ViewPlus
printer/embossers it would also be more or less what the final output is.
> As long as you are working on views, is it difficult to design them so
that this is possible? Ie to make the top view semi-transparaent and easy to
drag on top of the other?
>
> John G
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: brailleblaster-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:brailleblaster-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Keith Creasy
> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 08:20
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> Subject: [brailleblaster] Re: Thoughts and questions on views
>
> Hi John.
>
> Interesting. I'm working on views today. At least I'm reading through
> the
code and coming up with some strategies.
>
> I do like the idea of moving views to a package. Initially we have
potentially four views:
>
> TextView
> BrailleView
> TreeView
> HtmlView
>
> I still want to attach the views to the document (DocumentBase) in
> some
way with a common interface so that new views can be added easily. That way we
can document exactly what someone would need to create a text/braille view.
> We don't plan to do that but View Plus may.
>
> Optionally we can attach DocumentManager to DocumentBase and let
DocumentManager manage connecting views. Document Manager also handles a client
view that represents the window area for a single document. WpManager is going
to create each of DocumentManager and hand off the client area that
DocumentManager and it's view widgets occupy. If we want to enable an MDI then
WmManager just changes wich instance of DocumentManager is displayed in the
client area.
>
> Also, because it's such a mess, I'd suggest that someone rename the
current DcocumentManager class DocumentManagerOld or something and start over.
> There's a lot in there that can be copied and used in the new
DocumentManager but in trying to comb through it and decide what should stay
and what should go I think starting over with the original as a reference is
simpler. In fact, what about renaming it DocumentClient? It is mostly a view of
sorts.
>
> Here are my notes so far, they are not complete:
>
> WpManager class:
>
> This is the main entry point for BB. It doesn't do much right now but
> I'm
proposing that it do a bit more.
>
> 1. Sets up main application window, menu, toolbar, andclient area.
> 2. Handles File/New and File/Recent command, most Window commands.
> 3. Creates a DocumentManager instance when a new document is created.
>
> DocumentManager class (maybe renamed to DocumentClient?):
>
> 1. fills the client area of WpManager. The client frame contains any
> views
to the document.
> 2. Creates an instance of DocumentBase and any views that need to be
attached.
> 3. Handles most file commands; i.e. Open, Save, Save As,Export,
> Import,
etc.
>
>
> Views:
>
> All views are derived from AbstractView. This is so that all can have
certain methods that are required for interfacing with the document and so that
the document can update them when necessary. Does it make sense for each view
to create it's own font? We definitely want to avoid code in DocumentManager
that is specific to a particular view; i.e. DocumentManager knows how to create
a BrailleView and put it somewhere but nothing more.
>
> Keith Creasy
> Software Developer
> American Printing House for the Blind
> KCreasy@xxxxxxx
> Phone: 502.895.2405
> Skype: keith537
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: brailleblaster-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:brailleblaster-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John J.
> Boyer
> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 10:42 AM
> To: brailleblaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [brailleblaster] Thoughts and questions on views
>
> First, whatever APH and ViewaPlus want to do about view is fine with me.
>
> It seems that we are considering four views, a tree view, a browser or
htmml view a combined Braille-and-print view and a word processor view.
> Do we want the last view? Editing can be done in the braille-and-print
view.
> If we don't want a wordprocessor view we con't have to worry about
> styles,
because the layout of the print in the print-Braille view will mimic that of
the Braille. Perhaps we should change the architecture to have an
org.brailleblaster.views package and within this package subpackages for each
view, brailleprintview, treeview, browserview and wordprocessorview.
>
> John
>
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> http://www.abilitiessoft.com
> Madison, Wisconsin USA
> Developing software for people with disabilities
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