Remember to whom I was directing those comments..
Miriam
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[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Roger Loran
Bailey (Redacted sender "rogerbailey81" for DMARC)
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2015 9:12 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Mental illness or terrorism?
Even among atheists there are differences? It might have been better if you
had used the word especially. As I have said before, if the only thing you
have in common is what you do not believe then you have nothing in common.
On 10/6/2015 11:30 AM, Miriam Vieni wrote:
Abdulah,complex world.
Every religion has people who interpret it differently. There are
Christians who believe that Christianity is a peaceful religion and
there are others who believe that they have a right to impose
Christianity on everyone else and they fought the Crusades in order to
do that. The Catholics had an inquisition in order to do that. But
then, other Catholics are peace activists and go to jail for their
pacifism. In Judaism, there are all kinds of splits, different groups
who see the religion differently and practise it differently, and
there are differences in whether or not they are Zionists, and
differences among Zionists about how Israel should act. So I'm sure
that Islam is the same with different groups, different
interpretations, and each group thinkint that it has the right
interpretation. Even among Atheists, there are differences. It's a really
Islam:
Miriam
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[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of abdulah aga
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2015 10:25 AM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Mental illness or terrorism?
Hi Alice, Miriam and other.
I agree with Alice about all what he say, I don't want copy his post.
I agree with Miriam some what but not to all,
Miriam if Muslim people fighting because of religion, then they don't
follow on religion,
because in Islam say,
you don't have right to take way life to any one innocent men or lady
or child,
you didn't give to them and you don't have right to take way from him
or her.
Second, in Quran god very clear say,
I didn't send people to Earth to make violent,
if you do that I will change you with other people who will don't do it...
So now you can see that any Muslim shouldn't do that because sake of
blind.
So you have to Understand that from beginning from 1990 every one
start interpreted Islam
but this is people who don't understand Islam.
Why I say from beginning 1990?
because that time form Yugoslavia destroy and biggest one bloc SSR:
in this country we have people who have education about Islam and
they could talk what is good and what is bad.
But after that we have mess and every one want bee expert about Islam,
but we have that so many expert that why we have
so many bad thinks about Islam and extremist, who even don't thinks
with on brain.
Miriam and Alice, if we have so many people who hate other people jus
of religion,
but governments don't do nothing and media support jus one site then
we have problem,
in that case media helping and governments with silent
looking for religion war it is nothing als that lets go have war
betvine 2 or more religion:
I see that way and can't bee other way.
Making propaganda jus about one religion and talking how is that
religion bad and any one who have name associate with that religion
name
call them terrorist it is nothing als then calling on lynch that
specific religion,
even child like last month boy from Dallas Texas.
I thinks time is to call thinks right name,
right name is not terrorist not some body bed or good, right thinks
inviting all people in war agenst one religion in this case is all
people who is Muslim or who's name associate by Muslim name.
If is my name Joe, Alice, Jose, or something als,
not Abdulah I would have much better luck with Texas comition of the
hospital.
I know that many of you will not agree but thinks looks like this,
Jus analyzer all situation and you will get this thinks what about I say.
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From: Miriam Vieni
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2015 9:50 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Mental illness or terrorism?
Our president is an attorney. He isn't going to ssay anything which
appears to admit our government's culpability for the killings at the
been told to believe.
As for Sanders, even if he did believe that the wars were wrong, he
couldn't say that in a speech and expect to continue to gain support
for his candidacy. Oh, he'd have support from you and me and Chris
Hedges and David Swanson and Code Pink and other assorted peace
groups. But that would be a tiny minority. The only reason he's doing
as well as he is , is that he's talking about issues that concern
people and he's saying things with which they agree. Sometimes we
forget that we keep ourselves in a comfortable little bubble, reading
articles with which we mostly agree and listening to talks on the web
with which we agree. We read about the tiny groups who are
demonstrating and fighting back and we forget who the majority of
Americans are and what they believe. Remember, they believe what they've
process of healing.
Miriam
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From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2015 9:01 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Mental illness or terrorism?
But the president expressed his feelings regarding the murders at UCC
without having to take responsibility. Wouldn't you think the decent
thing to do would be to express on behalf of all Americans, our deep
sorrow over the murders in that hospital?
I have to tell you, I have less and less ability to listen to any of
our political clowns, including President Obama. Even my support for
Sanders is wavering. Old Bernie had better come up with a plan to end
our war on terror and bring in the real Peace Makers, and begin the
Without that sort of an example, we will continue in this eternalAfghanistan?
nightmare, and our American People will continue to see their land eroded.
Carl Jarvis
On 10/5/15, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
The administration did eventually say that there will be anthat, perhaps, should have not.
invesstigation of the attack on the hospital. That was far short of
an apology because apparently, an apology might give the impression
that perhaps we did something truly wrong. But the promise of an
investigation was, at least, a tacit admission that something
happened
Miriam
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From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Carl
Jarvis
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2015 10:31 AM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Mental illness or terrorism?
Good Monday Morning Abdulah and All Eager Listers.
Here it is, the First Monday in October. The day our unbiased
Supreme Court convenes to once again uphold our Constitution and keep
us all safe from Terror.
Another historic event on this glorious day, an agreement has been
reached on the long awaited TPP. Once signed, we peons will have a
much better definition of our place in this emerging International
Corporate Empire(ICE).
But one item I seem to have missed. I heard our President's
impassioned speech concerning the mass murders in Roseburg, Oregon,
at the UCC, but where is his outcry of rage over the murder of
Doctor's Without Borders and their patients in the hospital in
taught.Are we really expected to believe that our Prince of Peace, Barak
Obama, is going along with the imbecilic fabrication that this mass
murder was simply "collateral damage"?
Or is he going to wait until the smoke clears and anger subsides, to
tell us how sad he is.
Abdulah, that is what I mean by Americans being conditioned in how we
receive information. We are fed certain information in a way to
elicit the desired response. And the response is always directed
toward our Nation being the Greatest Nation Ever! We are conditioned
to accept the Fairy Tale that we are the World's Peace Keepers. Such
messages are woven throughout our daily feeding of what we call
"News". We have been trained to ignore the items that do not fit our
Fairy Tale. So we can read about a hospital being destroyed and
innocent people murdered, while believing that it is simply a mistake
or collateral damage. That is because we've been conditioned to
accept our Peace-Loving Nature, so of course we would never do such a
thing intentionally.
And so, woven into our "Make Believe World", is the thread that
Terrorists are wanting to plunder our glorious Land of Plenty. And
those Terrorists are Muslims. Of course they used to be Japanese and
Nazis and then Communists from the hated Soviet Union. At times the
Terrorists are Black, and at other times they are Jews. While we get
along with the Arabs, we don't really trust them.
And on it goes. lies like silken threads, woven through our so
called news.
Abdulah, our greatest weapon is our ability to think. That ability
is being constantly attacked.
Our greatest enemy is within our nation's borders. It is the Mass Media.
When radio, and later TV, became the transporter of our news,
surrounded by sponsors lying through their teeth to shake our dollars
loose, we had begun to allow ourselves to be taken over. Is it too
late to turn back? Only time will tell.
Carl Jarvis
On 10/4/15, abdulah aga <abdulahhasic@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi
Carl you say Frankly, we have been conditioned on how to receive
information.
what information?
is it information to hear each time when is massacre if is not name
associate with Muslim or Islamic then is mental ealnes?
but if is name associate with Islamic name he muss bee terrorist
even if he
don't know what that mean or if is his motives something ales, but
steel he
is terrorist by USA media.
Carl why we don't have complete investigation?
if you don't know I do know,
because he is white and more good thinks for him he is from how
American say
grate Brittan,
that why we will never know what is happened in Oregon.
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From: Carl Jarvis
Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2015 8:17 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Mental illness or terrorism?
Exactly so, Roger. As you have pointed out so many times, words
have real power.
Following my recent medical procedure, an ablation of the heart, a
friend dropped by and commented that I was looking alert in a very
relaxed way. I took it as an attempt to let me know that I was
looking much improved.
After he took off, I turned to Cathy and beamed. "I'm a fast healer.
Sturdy Pioneer stock does it." Cathy said, "Alert in a relaxed way?
You have your pants unbuckled and your zipper down, and your hair
looks like a herd of ducks slept there all night."
Suddenly I had lost that feeling of well-being and told Cathy,
"Think I'll hobble to bed and take a nap".
Whether we admit it or not, we subconsciously respond to words.
Some words have broad definitions and can be used to guide our thinking.
Some words have very different meanings for each of us, and must be
used carefully in order to be effective. Often the first verbal
impression sets a tone that is hard to overcome. A local TV
reporter put it this way. "Are Seattle teachers putting their own
demands ahead of their students well being? As teachers turn their
backs on their duties, harried parents scramble to find safe care
for their children."
No one said the teachers had no right in demanding a decent wage,
but I had the impression of a bunch of hard faced men and women
turning away from little children who are weeping and begging to be
community.And how many of us have been one of those harried parents? I put in
my time as a single parent.
Each of us responds to this news item from our own experiences. But
most of us will be feeling empathy for the harried parents and
worried over the safety of the children. The teachers become just a
bit more removed from our sympathies. And yet, many of these
teachers are parents. Some are single parents. They are struggling
to provide for their children, too. But by the words chosen, and
the emphasis placed on the harried parents and the children's
safety, these teachers become "things" rather than equal members of
the
Frankly, we have been conditioned on how to receive information.
Until we decide that it is our responsibility to think about what is
being fed us, and why, we will go along, being tugged this way and
that without ever understanding that we are being played like
puppets on a string.
Carl Jarvis
On 10/4/15, Roger Loran Bailey <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Have you ever noticed that when one of these mass shootings is
perpetrated by a white guy it is always explained as mental illness
and when the perpetrator is anyone else it is terrorism?
