is that how you would explain the Armenian genocide?
On Oct 6, 2015, at 1:13 PM, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Well, I think that people who are filled with rage, will find a
rationalization to vent their rage. If they follow a particular religion,
they'll find something in the holy books of their religion to support what
they want to do. If they're Communists, they'll find something in Marxist
theory that supports what they want to do. However, there are also
geopolitical causes that create the conditions for people in a particular
religious group, from a particular geographical area, to become violent. Had
the West not conquered the Ottoman Empire, and then split it all up into
arbitrary states, there would not be so much anger in the Muslim world.
These days, it's called blowback. In the bible it's explained as, "we reap
what we sow".
Miriam
________________________________
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alice Dampman
Humel
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2015 11:45 AM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Mental illness or terrorism?
Notice that the examples you cite also span several centuries on the
historical timeline.
Yes, their are differences within any given ideology. Some of them conflict
with each other.
But in the case of the extremists, the fanatics, those who murder in the
name of their ideology, it has less to do with the ideology and everything
to do with hatred, bigotry, fanaticism and violence.
If the 9/11 extremists had claimed pastafarianism as their motivator, then
those who already hate the pastafarians would be rising up and capitalizing
on that to spread their already active pastafarianophobia.
The Nazis gave all the antiSemites an excuse to act on their feelings more
overtly than they already did. The claim of Islamic terrorists give those
who have Muslims more of a license to act on their bigotry.
On Oct 6, 2015, at 11:30 AM, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Abdulah,
Every religion has people who interpret it differently. There are
Christians
who believe that Christianity is a peaceful religion and there are
others
who believe that they have a right to impose Christianity on
everyone else
and they fought the Crusades in order to do that. The Catholics had
an
inquisition in order to do that. But then, other Catholics are peace
activists and go to jail for their pacifism. In Judaism, there are
all
kinds of splits, different groups who see the religion differently
and
practise it differently, and there are differences in whether or not
they
are Zionists, and differences among Zionists about how Israel should
act. So
I'm sure that Islam is the same with different groups, different
interpretations, and each group thinkint that it has the right
interpretation. Even among Atheists, there are differences. It's a
really
complex world.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of abdulah
aga
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2015 10:25 AM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Mental illness or terrorism?
Hi Alice, Miriam and other.
I agree with Alice about all what he say, I don't want copy his
post.
I agree with Miriam some what but not to all,
Miriam if Muslim people fighting because of religion, then they
don't follow
on religion,
because in Islam say,
you don't have right to take way life to any one innocent men or
lady or
child,
you didn't give to them and you don't have right to take way from
him or
her.
Second, in Quran god very clear say,
I didn't send people to Earth to make violent,
if you do that I will change you with other people who will don't do
it...
So now you can see that any Muslim shouldn't do that because sake of
Islam:
So you have to Understand that from beginning from 1990 every one
start
interpreted Islam
but this is people who don't understand Islam.
Why I say from beginning 1990?
because that time form Yugoslavia destroy and biggest one bloc SSR:
in this country we have people who have education about Islam and
they
could talk what is good and what is bad.
But after that we have mess and every one want bee expert about
Islam, but
we have that so many expert that why we have
so many bad thinks about Islam and extremist, who even don't thinks
with on
brain.
Miriam and Alice, if we have so many people who hate other people
jus of
religion,
but governments don't do nothing and media support jus one site then
we have
problem,
in that case media helping and governments with silent
looking for religion war it is nothing als that lets go have war
betvine 2
or more religion:
I see that way and can't bee other way.
Making propaganda jus about one religion and talking how is that
religion
bad and any one who have name associate with that religion name
call them terrorist it is nothing als then calling on lynch that
specific
religion,
even child like last month boy from Dallas Texas.
I thinks time is to call thinks right name,
right name is not terrorist not some body bed or good, right thinks
inviting
all people in war agenst one religion in this case is all people who
is
Muslim or who's name associate by Muslim name.
If is my name Joe, Alice, Jose, or something als,
not Abdulah I would have much better luck with Texas comition of the
blind.
I know that many of you will not agree but thinks looks like this,
Jus analyzer all situation and you will get this thinks what about
I say.
-----Original Message-----
From: Miriam Vieni
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2015 9:50 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Mental illness or terrorism?
Our president is an attorney. He isn't going to ssay anything which
appears
to admit our government's culpability for the killings at the
hospital.
As for Sanders, even if he did believe that the wars were wrong, he
couldn't
say that in a speech and expect to continue to gain support for his
candidacy. Oh, he'd have support from you and me and Chris Hedges
and David
Swanson and Code Pink and other assorted peace groups. But that
would be a
tiny minority. The only reason he's doing as well as he is , is
that he's
talking about issues that concern people and he's saying things with
which
they agree. Sometimes we forget that we keep ourselves in a
comfortable
little bubble, reading articles with which we mostly agree and
listening to
talks on the web with which we agree. We read about the tiny groups
who are
demonstrating and fighting back and we forget who the majority of
Americans
are and what they believe. Remember, they believe what they've been
told to
believe.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Carl
Jarvis
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2015 9:01 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Mental illness or terrorism?
But the president expressed his feelings regarding the murders at
UCC
without having to take responsibility. Wouldn't you think the
decent thing
to do would be to express on behalf of all Americans, our deep
sorrow over
the murders in that hospital?
I have to tell you, I have less and less ability to listen to any of
our
political clowns, including President Obama. Even my support for
Sanders is
wavering. Old Bernie had better come up with a plan to end our war
on
terror and bring in the real Peace Makers, and begin the process of
healing.
Without that sort of an example, we will continue in this eternal
nightmare,
and our American People will continue to see their land eroded.
Carl Jarvis
On 10/5/15, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
The administration did eventually say that there will be an
invesstigation of the attack on the hospital. That was far
short of an
apology because apparently, an apology might give the
impression that
perhaps we did something truly wrong. But the promise of an
investigation was, at least, a tacit admission that
something happened
that, perhaps, should have not.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Carl Jarvis
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2015 10:31 AM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Mental illness or terrorism?
Good Monday Morning Abdulah and All Eager Listers.
Here it is, the First Monday in October. The day our
unbiased Supreme
Court convenes to once again uphold our Constitution and
keep us all
safe from Terror.
Another historic event on this glorious day, an agreement
has been
reached on the long awaited TPP. Once signed, we peons will
have a
much better definition of our place in this emerging
International
Corporate Empire(ICE).
But one item I seem to have missed. I heard our President's
impassioned speech concerning the mass murders in Roseburg,
Oregon, at
the UCC, but where is his outcry of rage over the murder of
Doctor's
Without Borders and their patients in the hospital in
Afghanistan?
Are we really expected to believe that our Prince of Peace,
Barak
Obama, is going along with the imbecilic fabrication that
this mass
murder was simply "collateral damage"?
Or is he going to wait until the smoke clears and anger
subsides, to
tell us how sad he is.
Abdulah, that is what I mean by Americans being conditioned
in how we
receive information. We are fed certain information in a
way to
elicit the desired response. And the response is always
directed
toward our Nation being the Greatest Nation Ever! We are
conditioned
to accept the Fairy Tale that we are the World's Peace
Keepers. Such
messages are woven throughout our daily feeding of what we
call
"News". We have been trained to ignore the items that do
not fit our
Fairy Tale. So we can read about a hospital being destroyed
and
innocent people murdered, while believing that it is simply
a mistake
or collateral damage. That is because we've been
conditioned to
accept our Peace-Loving Nature, so of course we would never
do such a
thing intentionally.
And so, woven into our "Make Believe World", is the thread
that
Terrorists are wanting to plunder our glorious Land of
Plenty. And
those Terrorists are Muslims. Of course they used to be
Japanese and
Nazis and then Communists from the hated Soviet Union. At
times the
Terrorists are Black, and at other times they are Jews.
While we get
along with the Arabs, we don't really trust them.
And on it goes. lies like silken threads, woven through our
so called
news.
Abdulah, our greatest weapon is our ability to think. That
ability is
being constantly attacked.
Our greatest enemy is within our nation's borders. It is
the Mass Media.
When radio, and later TV, became the transporter of our
news,
surrounded by sponsors lying through their teeth to shake
our dollars
loose, we had begun to allow ourselves to be taken over. Is
it too
late to turn back? Only time will tell.
Carl Jarvis
On 10/4/15, abdulah aga <abdulahhasic@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi
Carl you say Frankly, we have been conditioned on
how to receive
information.
what information?
is it information to hear each time when is massacre
if is not name
associate with Muslim or Islamic then is mental
ealnes?
but if is name associate with Islamic name he muss
bee terrorist even
if he
don't know what that mean or if is his motives
something ales, but
steel he
is terrorist by USA media.
Carl why we don't have complete investigation?
if you don't know I do know,
because he is white and more good thinks for him he
is from how
American say
grate Brittan,
that why we will never know what is happened in
Oregon.
-----Original Message-----
From: Carl Jarvis
Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2015 8:17 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Mental illness or
terrorism?
Exactly so, Roger. As you have pointed out so many
times, words have
real power.
Following my recent medical procedure, an ablation
of the heart, a
friend dropped by and commented that I was looking
alert in a very
relaxed way. I took it as an attempt to let me know
that I was
looking much improved.
After he took off, I turned to Cathy and beamed.
"I'm a fast healer.
Sturdy Pioneer stock does it." Cathy said, "Alert
in a relaxed way?
You have your pants unbuckled and your zipper down,
and your hair
looks like a herd of ducks slept there all night."
Suddenly I had lost that feeling of well-being and
told Cathy, "Think
I'll hobble to bed and take a nap".
Whether we admit it or not, we subconsciously
respond to words. Some
words have broad definitions and can be used to
guide our thinking.
Some words have very different meanings for each of
us, and must be
used carefully in order to be effective. Often the
first verbal
impression sets a tone that is hard to overcome. A
local TV reporter
put it this way. "Are Seattle teachers putting
their own demands
ahead of their students well being? As teachers
turn their backs on
their duties, harried parents scramble to find safe
care for their
children."
No one said the teachers had no right in demanding a
decent wage, but
I had the impression of a bunch of hard faced men
and women turning
away from little children who are weeping and
begging to be taught.
And how many of us have been one of those harried
parents? I put in
my time as a single parent.
Each of us responds to this news item from our own
experiences. But
most of us will be feeling empathy for the harried
parents and
worried over the safety of the children. The
teachers become just a
bit more removed from our sympathies. And yet, many
of these
teachers are parents. Some are single parents.
They are struggling
to provide for their children, too. But by the
words chosen, and the
emphasis placed on the harried parents and the
children's safety,
these teachers become "things" rather than equal
members of the
community.
Frankly, we have been conditioned on how to receive
information.
Until we decide that it is our responsibility to
think about what is
being fed us, and why, we will go along, being
tugged this way and
that without ever understanding that we are being
played like puppets
on a string.
Carl Jarvis
On 10/4/15, Roger Loran Bailey
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Have you ever noticed that when one of these
mass shootings is
perpetrated by a white guy it is always
explained as mental illness
and when the perpetrator is anyone else it
is terrorism?
