Correct, except that from the point of view of most people, they were all
Americans and I was attempting to explain why Americans are afraid of
Muslims. And, it was done in the name of Islam. That's what they claimed.
They were extremists, but they did it in the name of religion. And Israel
not only does what it does in the name of Judaism, it claims to represent
all Jews throughout the world. It may not be your kind of Judaism, but it is
the kind to which some people adhere. People don't say, "I'm doing this
because I'm a fanatic". They say, "I killed that doctor because he performs
abortions and I'm a Christian".
Miriam
________________________________
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alice Dampman
Humel
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2015 6:34 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Mental illness or terrorism?
No, 3,000 Americans were not killed, 3,000 PEOPLE were killed. Not everyone
who died on 9/11 was an American, and this is yet another example of this
damnable American exceptionalism, that this kind of carelessness and I mean
lack of caring about other people other than Americans can even get you to
fall into the trap of saying 3,000 Americans.
I also disagree that it was done in the name of Islam. It was done in the
name of fanaticism, of Islam distorted beyond all recognition, just as
Israeli behavior toward the Palestinians is Judaism distorted beyond all
recognition. Just as the homophobes and other Christian zealots are not
practicing Christianity, they've distorted it beyond all recognition.
Again, that is what the "patriots," the homeland security people with their
no fly lists and extreme rendition want us to believe, it was those Muslims
who did this.
And you know what Franklin said: those who would place security above
freedom deserve neither, and they have neither, too (my addition.)
I know you don't believe this stuff yourself, Miriam, I'm just saying...
On Oct 5, 2015, at 6:16 PM, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I suppose that Americans are like everyone else. They can be easily
manipulated by government lies. But it's important to remember that
when the
World Trade Center and the Pentagon were attacked in September 2001,
almost
3,000 Americans were killed. Americans are unaccustomed to be
attacked. The
last physical attack we'd had was on Pearl harbor in 1941 and that
wasn't on
our mainland. The attack on the World Trade Center was on the
financial
center of the country. It was a terrible shock and it frightened
people. It
was done in the name of Islam. The people in our government who had
been
wanting to take military action in the Mid East for years were able
to use
everyone's shock and fear in order to put their previous plans into
action.
And in order to do that, they had to keep Americans frightened of
Islam.
They have everyone so frightened of another attack that Americans
have given
up civil liberties and freedoms in order to stay safe.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of abdulah
aga
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2015 5:43 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Mental illness or terrorism?
Hi Miriam
I know that government don't hate Muslim,
I know that government do it because of oil,
this is what I say,
that Israel is stupid, to have still war with Palestine,
and making allies with USA and Uropien country instead with on
naber.
I wander when oil gon who will protect Israel?
this is all because of control and profit.
I know that would bee same way if is there crschen.
Governments would behave same way.
What I don't understen is
Americken ordinaly people,
how com they are can't understen where problem:
they are should know that thing with muslim is jus game about
profit.
-----Original Message-----
From: Miriam Vieni
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2015 1:27 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Mental illness or terrorism?
Abdulah,
Not all Americans hate Muslims. Many are just frightened and they
are
influenced by our government's propaganda. Our government does what
it does,
not because it hates Muslims, but because it wants to control the
world and
particularly, the world's oil. The gunman in Oregon killed the
people
because they were Christian. He was, apparently, an atheist. What
Carl has
been saying to you is that over the years, different groups of
people have
been scapegoated wtihin the US; Asians, Jews, Communists, African
Americans
still are, Irish, Italian, and now, Muslims.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of abdulah
aga
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2015 2:09 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Mental illness or terrorism?
Hi Miriam
If USA did that in Israel or in some western country,
like in Afghanistan with hospital some one all ready would bee
punish,
but if they are did in Afghanistan with Muslim population then who
care,
because USA people is prepare to kill most as possible Muslim
people,
more kill better for USA people and les terrorist on world,
this is what for USA people prepare for last 15 yare.
We have to face reality,
don't you have good examples of shuding in Origen?
if men who make massacre in Origen
if he have name Associate with Islamic name we would have all
information
about him,
but men who do it in Origen
was Wight that is one more good for him because
he was born in how American people say or like to say in grate
Brittan that
why we don't have any
information about him.
-----Original Message-----
From: Miriam Vieni
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2015 10:22 AM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Mental illness or terrorism?
The administration did eventually say that there will be an
invesstigation
of the attack on the hospital. That was far short of an apology
because
apparently, an apology might give the impression that perhaps we did
something truly wrong. But the promise of an investigation was, at
least, a
tacit admission that something happened that, perhaps, should have
not.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Carl
Jarvis
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2015 10:31 AM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Mental illness or terrorism?
Good Monday Morning Abdulah and All Eager Listers.
Here it is, the First Monday in October. The day our unbiased
Supreme Court
convenes to once again uphold our Constitution and keep us all safe
from
Terror.
Another historic event on this glorious day, an agreement has been
reached
on the long awaited TPP. Once signed, we peons will have a much
better
definition of our place in this emerging International Corporate
Empire(ICE).
But one item I seem to have missed. I heard our President's
impassioned
speech concerning the mass murders in Roseburg, Oregon, at the UCC,
but
where is his outcry of rage over the murder of Doctor's Without
Borders and
their patients in the hospital in Afghanistan?
Are we really expected to believe that our Prince of Peace, Barak
Obama, is
going along with the imbecilic fabrication that this mass murder was
simply
"collateral damage"?
Or is he going to wait until the smoke clears and anger subsides, to
tell us
how sad he is.
Abdulah, that is what I mean by Americans being conditioned in how
we
receive information. We are fed certain information in a way to
elicit the
desired response. And the response is always directed toward our
Nation
being the Greatest Nation Ever! We are conditioned to accept the
Fairy Tale
that we are the World's Peace Keepers. Such messages are woven
throughout
our daily feeding of what we call "News". We have been trained to
ignore
the items that do not fit our Fairy Tale. So we can read about a
hospital
being destroyed and innocent people murdered, while believing that
it is
simply a mistake or collateral damage. That is because we've been
conditioned to accept our Peace-Loving Nature, so of course we would
never
do such a thing intentionally.
And so, woven into our "Make Believe World", is the thread that
Terrorists
are wanting to plunder our glorious Land of Plenty. And those
Terrorists
are Muslims. Of course they used to be Japanese and Nazis and then
Communists from the hated Soviet Union. At times the Terrorists are
Black,
and at other times they are Jews. While we get along with the
Arabs, we
don't really trust them.
And on it goes. lies like silken threads, woven through our so
called news.
Abdulah, our greatest weapon is our ability to think. That ability
is being
constantly attacked.
Our greatest enemy is within our nation's borders. It is the Mass
Media.
When radio, and later TV, became the transporter of our news,
surrounded by
sponsors lying through their teeth to shake our dollars loose, we
had begun
to allow ourselves to be taken over. Is it too late to turn back?
Only
time will tell.
Carl Jarvis
On 10/4/15, abdulah aga <abdulahhasic@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi
Carl you say Frankly, we have been conditioned on how to
receive
information.
what information?
is it information to hear each time when is massacre if is
not name
associate with Muslim or Islamic then is mental ealnes?
but if is name associate with Islamic name he muss bee
terrorist even
if he
don't know what that mean or if is his motives something
ales, but
steel he
is terrorist by USA media.
Carl why we don't have complete investigation?
if you don't know I do know,
because he is white and more good thinks for him he is from
how
American say
grate Brittan,
that why we will never know what is happened in Oregon.
-----Original Message-----
From: Carl Jarvis
Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2015 8:17 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Mental illness or terrorism?
Exactly so, Roger. As you have pointed out so many times,
words have
real power.
Following my recent medical procedure, an ablation of the
heart, a
friend dropped by and commented that I was looking alert in
a very
relaxed way. I took it as an attempt to let me know that I
was
looking much improved.
After he took off, I turned to Cathy and beamed. "I'm a
fast healer.
Sturdy Pioneer stock does it." Cathy said, "Alert in a
relaxed way?
You have your pants unbuckled and your zipper down, and your
hair
looks like a herd of ducks slept there all night."
Suddenly I had lost that feeling of well-being and told
Cathy, "Think
I'll hobble to bed and take a nap".
Whether we admit it or not, we subconsciously respond to
words. Some
words have broad definitions and can be used to guide our
thinking.
Some words have very different meanings for each of us, and
must be
used carefully in order to be effective. Often the first
verbal
impression sets a tone that is hard to overcome. A local TV
reporter
put it this way. "Are Seattle teachers putting their own
demands
ahead of their students well being? As teachers turn their
backs on
their duties, harried parents scramble to find safe care for
their
children."
No one said the teachers had no right in demanding a decent
wage, but
I had the impression of a bunch of hard faced men and women
turning
away from little children who are weeping and begging to be
taught.
And how many of us have been one of those harried parents?
I put in
my time as a single parent.
Each of us responds to this news item from our own
experiences. But
most of us will be feeling empathy for the harried parents
and worried
over the safety of the children. The teachers become just a
bit more
removed from our sympathies. And yet, many of these
teachers are
parents. Some are single parents. They are struggling to
provide for
their children, too. But by the words chosen, and the
emphasis placed
on the harried parents and the children's safety, these
teachers
become "things" rather than equal members of the community.
Frankly, we have been conditioned on how to receive
information.
Until we decide that it is our responsibility to think about
what is
being fed us, and why, we will go along, being tugged this
way and
that without ever understanding that we are being played
like puppets
on a string.
Carl Jarvis
On 10/4/15, Roger Loran Bailey <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Have you ever noticed that when one of these mass
shootings is
perpetrated by a white guy it is always explained as
mental illness
and when the perpetrator is anyone else it is
terrorism?
