Hello everyone, thank you so much for these interactive threads. Bob,
why would I wholeheartedly embrace Islam if I doubt it being the
truely straight path to prosperity? Why would I unnecessarily flatter
those who I fundamentally disagree with? If I did so, this will
basically be hypocritical, which is to profess perceptions or virtues
you don't hold. This is a characteristic you previously criticised and
falsely accused me of bearing. Carl, what Roger wrote has nothing to
do with proper discussion or inference. First, he said that religion
is full of evil. When I asked him to provide a proof, he basically
diverged and resorted to call religion superstitious. What is a
superstition? It is an irrational belief arising from ignorance or
fear. I do not believe in superstitions or mythical notions.
Everything in my religious shrine is explained and has rational basis.
What is not explained, why would this very organised vast universe be
based on an unheralded theory? There is no experimental procedure that
corroborates the big bang theory. Again, your experience of religion
is not equal to mine. I live in a region where religion is significant
and has impact in everyday life. You live in a region where religion
is spiritually emptied. Churches are not enjoining their fellow
congregants to adhere any moral conduct. Thus far, ethical devotion is
relative and may vary from place to another. This is because, as I
said yesterday, religion has been separated from state governance and
social affairs. It therefore became useless in western arena. I now
want the question which I asked yesterday to be fairly answered. If
religion is full of evil as Roger claimed, did Hitler hold into
religious motives when he engaged in world war two? What is the
religious motive for North Korea, Iran or Israel to develop nuclear
power? Religion may be perverted by some bunch of beguilers for
political gain. But, the lack of genuine spirituality has led to the
rife phenomenon I bear witness now in this list. Faith abandonment is
quite dominant nowadays in the west. Here in Egypt, there are some
atheists and agnostics. They do not embrace thoughts of their
independent ponder. Everything they say is precisely ingeminated from
western Atheism. This is another practical instance of civil
defeatism. I wish everyone here to think, why did any of you become
Atheist or spiritually irreverent? If you look at your private life,
you'll notice the chronological order by which you became where you
now are. But, you do not know something about my religion, where I
come from and my language. I in return, knew about your culture,
language and history. This is why I am sitting here, responding in
plain English to your bold statements about religion and what it
signifies. I hope you recognise the difference between us. And,
please, do not twist my sentiment and tackle my queries thoroughly.
Thank you for reading, Mustafa
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On 7/25/18, Bob Hachey <bhachey@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Mostafa,
You really do seem to believe that Islam is the only proper religion. IT is
that kind of thinking that will be the death of us all. Similarly, some
fundamentalist Christians and orthodox Jews feel the same about their
religions. IT is that kind of zealotry that has throughout history lead to
war.
It is very strange how these religions that claim to offer good to the world
offer bigotry and disdain for those they see as non-believers.
Bob Hachey
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Bob, religion is not crucial in western societies. Subsequent to French
revolution, European nations embraced total separation between faith and
state governance. As the United States is the production of European
immigration to North America, it precisely imitated the European
disintegration of faith in action. So it rather became, faith inaction.
Islam has rules and regulations for everything including territorial
jurisdiction. This is the reason for which the west attempts to relentlessly
defame its jural principles. According to Austrian foreign minister, Islam
is declined because of its governmental ordination. So, it has nothing to do
with promoting terror and that nonsense. Mass Christendom and Hebraism
concurred to utterly disintegrate between faith and state governing. We have
the right to persistently fend for liberty of religious practice. We have
the right to prosecute for religious sacrilege. The United States doesn't
have to abide by our legal authority. As for Atheism and what Mr Roger
blankly claimed about religion, he seems to have failed to implement proper
intellectual inductance. As for world wars one and two, what was the motive
for them? Had Hitler been waving a religious banner, we would have portrayed
religion as full of evil. Korea and its atomic dementia, what has this to do
with religion? What about Israel and its relentlessly enormous savagery on
Palestinians, what has this to do with religion? What about this cannibalic
war in Syria, what has this to do with religion? Religion in itself, doesn't
call for evil. Its follwers may misuse some of its tenets to suppress and
reach up to certain political ambitions. I confirm what I stated below,
there is significant difference between faith in the west versus here. In
the west, everything seems to be tolerated. People may go to Church while
engaging in illicit wedlock. Regular Churchgoers may not necessarily marry
their patooties if authorised marriage is costly to them. So, I hope list
viewers recognise the substantial difference between your conception of
religion versus our.
Thus, I hope Mr Roger clarifies his uncorroborated statement about religion.
I do not agree with Atheism nevertheless, I do not say it's full of evil
without proof. To claim that Zionism, for instance, is established on
iniquity and injustice is pragmatic and decisively substantiated. I hope we
are able to proceed on a productive discussion. I hope to see Mr Roger
finally able to engage in more serious discussion. What has world war two
erupted for?
On 7/22/18, Bob Hachey <bhachey@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Mostafa,
Your message here is dripping with hypocrisy. You seem to claim that
Islam is far superior to Christianity. By making the kind of blanket
statements you made here, you are acting much like the hypocritical
Evangelical Christians. You accuse all Christians of being greedy
hypocrites. That would be like me accusing all Muslims of being
terrorists which I know is not true.
The more I read and the more of life that I experience, the more I
wonder if we humans would be better off without all religions. The
bottom line here is that there is good and bad in all religions.
Bob Hachey
An agnostic bordering on atheism
