First of all, I'll be voting for Jill Stein. And it's because her platform
and what I've heard her say, represents something as close to what I'd like
in this country if it were possible. So when you make allegations about her
or the Green party, I take it as a personal insult. I can't imagine how you
can equate her, or Bernie Sanders, for that matter, as representing , or
being part of, the Capitalist class. Perhaps they have more money than you
or I do, but they are nothing like Hillary and Bill, or the majority of
senators and congressmen in terms of wealth, nor do their allegiances lie
with Finance or international corporations. The Green Party wants to
organize apart from the Democrats and Republicans because both parties are
funded by the same financial institutions and corporations. And the two
parties are supported by the mass media who are funded by the same financial
institutions and corporations that fund them. So you'll never get to learn
anything about the Green Party from TV or radio reporting, nor from the
articles from major publications. Whatever the two major parties were 40 or
more years ago, they are now working for the same powerful interests. But
they have advertising programs that have been constructed to appeal to
people with basically two different sets of values. So long as the Democrats
say the things that agree with your social and ideological viewpoint, you'll
vote for them, believing that they stand behind what they say. That is the
premise on which these insane political campaigns are built. And up until
this point, I have been seduced by all of that propaganda. I've bought into
it. No, this isn't, or shouldn't be a personal fight between you and me, or
between any of us. I was responding to the tone of your comments. I don't
expect to convince anyone on this list of anything. I post articles that I
think are interesting or instructive. Sometimes I agree with them.
Sometimes, I'm not sure. Sometimes, I disagree. But I try not to post
anything with an ignorant point of view. And I say what I think so that
people can agree or consider, or disagree.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 1:13 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: CBS this morning
Don't be so Narcissistic. Stop trying to turn this into a personal war. I
was talking about the Green party/Stein camp, not you. However since you
brought it up yes, you have no idea who may or may not be subscribed to this
list. Maybe some anti-GOP statements may do us all some good.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Miriam Vieni
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 12:49 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: CBS this morning
Well, if you are sneakily insinuating that I am pro G O P, then you've
misinterpreted what I wrote. I don't bother posting anti G O P articles on
this list because everyone whom I know who is on this list is already anti G
O P. But many of us are registered Democrats and the Democratic Party has
been misrepresenting itself for many years. Yes, it has liberal social
positions. However, in terms of economics, and war, it now represents the
interests of banks, corporations, and the military. It doesn't represent the
poor, the working class, or middle income people. But it captures our votes
because the Republicans are so extreme and this year, so crazy and openly
racist. But if you look at who is supporting the Democratic ticket, it is
the wealthy and many people from the Bush administration, and the Neo Cons.
And then she has the folks who are dependent on the Democratic Party and
terrified to leave it: the union establishment, the old time Black Political
Establishment, etc. And the Democrats now do what they criticized the
Republicans for doing in terms of war, spaying, lack of real gun
legislation, disregard for the welfare of immigrants. Dems are good on LGBT
rights, women's health, because those constituencies now have money and
clout. They're not so good on mass incarceration, in spite of all the hype,
or on prosecuting cops who murder black people. They're terrible on civil
liberties and on whistle blowers, and not so good on torture either. And
they will use super pacs and whatever other means they have to influence the
vote in their favor, just like Republicans do.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 12:16 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: CBS this morning
Actually the judgement is all their own, when they complain all about the
consequences of their own actions. And, yes elections have consequences. In
the fall when the protestors here in the US elect a republican president,
will they be happy and content with that choice or will they complain, which
is a form of self-judgement. Further to the point, why do those protestors
think they are so special that they can get their rocks off making
themselves happy with their little protest votes while believing that it is
up to the rest of society to keep their precious little protest votes just
that protest votes. That is one possibility, the other is that these
so-called protestors are really closet republicans looking for any excuse to
put the GOP in office. This may very well be the case when you hear all of
the anti-DNC rhetoric and never even hear a peep coming from the same people
about the GOP. Don't believe name, then reread the messages posted here;
even the one I am replying too. The pro=GOP stance is very evident in these
"protestors", "radicals" or "revolutionaries"; or whatever BS label they
call themselves today.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Miriam Vieni
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 11:51 AM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: CBS this morning
And what will happen when Hillary is elected? We'll have even more wars, a
continuation of our subservience to the financial industry and big
corporations, continued erosion of our civil liberties, greater economic
inequality which will begin to be felt by people who consider themselves to
be middle class and immune to the indignity of poverty, a continuation of
institutionalized racism with police murders of people of color going
unchecked, continued deportation of poor immigrants of color regardless of
their situation, increasing medical costs for people who have medical
insurance, continued disregard of how our handling of fossil fuels is
fueling the catastrophe of global warming, and all of it camouflaged by the
language of social justice, freedom, and equality. I've posted at least 3
articles which indicate why some people voted for Brexit and what the
consequences may be. Our situation is very complicated and those of us who
choose to cling to the status quo are like the frog in the pot of water
which is slowly heating on the stove, moving toward the boiling point. So
let's not judge people too harshly for the choices they make.
Miriam
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From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 9:20 AM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] CBS this morning
CBS this morning ran a piece about the British vote and made a big point of
how many Brits are now saying that they regret their vote and that they only
voted for it as a protest vote thinking that it could never pass. This is
the reality of these "protest votes". It may make the person feel good but
wait until the morning after. This greatly foreshadows what will happen here
in the US in November as all of these portest votes will only put the GOP in
the White House and come the morning after said protestors will be
complaining of got elected.
