Miriam, quite simply the welfare class is the class of persons who depend
mainly on subsidies instead of labor like the working class or dividend income
like the liberal or conservative elite. There is no connotation, either
positive or negative concerning the term. By replacing capitalism with a system
where the government owns and controls all industry all jobs can and should be
brought back into our borders. This will eliminate the need for a welfare class
and since the corporate juggernauts will no longer exist there will be no
corporate empire and the thus no ruling class that dominates it. Take a look at
Denmark, they are not there yet but are headed in that direction. As far as the
Green party goes they were interested mostly in well healed donors if you want
to get invited into the policy meetings and closed door events.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Miriam Vieni
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 4:19 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: CBS this morning
So please define, "the welfare class". And do you believe that whoever they
are, their interests are at odds with your's? And if you believe that, please
explain what kind of system you envision when you say that you want
to see the end of Capitalism.
And please explain what you mean when you say that the Green Party "wouldn't
give you a second thought" now that you have less money.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 3:18 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: CBS this morning
Miriam, never did I say anything about "lazy". So stop trying to put words in
my mouth. Yes I do agree the Green party will use the welfare class to divert
resources from the working class to the ruling class, and I made that quite
clear. When I was better off financially I was welcome in the green party. Now
they wouldn't give me a second thought.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Miriam Vieni
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 3:02 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: CBS this morning
I read your message to Carl. You appear to believe that you are a victim
because you work, and that people who need financial asistance are in
competition with you and getting something that is rightfully your's. And you
now, in this message to me, say that the Green party has a lot of money and is
purposefully omitting states because they don't want to help hard working
people, but only poor people who are, you imply, lazy, and, as you define them,
"the welfare class". Your responses are rather confusing.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 1:31 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: CBS this morning
Miriam, nothing can be further from the truth. I was involved in the Green
party, back when I was a big buck, liberal elite. They have plety of money to
go on the attack in Blue states, they *choose* to handle red states with kid
gloves. Now that I am merely another working class slob living day to day, they
won't have me.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Miriam Vieni
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 12:56 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: CBS this morning
They don't have the money for a 50 state strategy. They're begging for money to
get on another state right now. And it is disingenuous to call everyone who
won't vote for the Democratic machine, a "Republican operative". It's a
McCarthyite tactic. If you don't follow the party line, you're a Communist.
Well, maybe it's a Communist tactic. If you don't follow the party line, yoo're
a capitalist pig.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 12:37 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: CBS this morning
Kevin, I feel the same way as you do, however I see Stein as the embodiment of
a republican operative, protest vote. I used to be active in the Green party
and left because they outright refuse to approach a 50 state strategy.
Go to any meeting (in person and online) and if you even suggest taking on GOP
either by operating in red states or by being openly critical of the GOP, you
will be shown the door. As wrong the GOP and DNC are, at least they lay it on
the table and are up front. The Green party is run by liberal elites who hate
the working class and believe that making the ruling class even richer through
contracting out a social welfare state paid for by the working class is the
path to fortune and fame. They don't tell you this on their slick internet
presence, you need to talk to them directly. I believe the SWP is far closer to
my views than the Green party and is far more honest about it. However, I have
never seen one of their candidates on any ballot here. So for me it is a binary
operation, GOP or DNC.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kevin LaRose
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 12:13 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: CBS this morning
Frank, with all due respect, this is not a fair comparison. From what I
understand Brexit was a straight up-and-down vote on leaving the EU. Only two
choices, yay or nay. If I cast my vote for Jill Stein, which at this point I
fully intend to do, that would not by any definition be a protest vote. Of all
the candidates running right now, she lines up the best with what I believe. I
actually want to vote *for* someone, not *against* someone else. Otherwise, my
vote is merely a protest vote, and I'm not doing that anymore.
KL
