[bksvol-discuss] Re: where are all the submits
- From: "Monica Willyard" <rhyami@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 18:07:31 -0400
Hi Evan and Lissi. I agree that it would be helpful to have some comments on
these issues from Pavi. Unfortunately, since Pavi doesn't spend much time
interacting with us, I'm not sure she can see the big picture and the
factors contributing to it. I think Carrie can because she reads the list,
understands our history, and sees the numbers of books involved directly.
Because Bookshare is growing so nicely, I would be very surprised if any
single factor is causing the lower levels of books available for
proofreading. By the same token, I'm sure there are some factors in play
that we on this list don't know about or understand fully.
Lissi, I don't think we'll get to the point where there are no books to work
on because any volunteer could choose to upload a new book at any time.
That's why I think it would help to balance things if we can put our heads
together to encourage those volunteers who are able to start submitting more
books. I really value our team of proofreaders, and I'm committed to working
with everyone to find a solution. If we brainstorm, I'll bet we can come up
with some ideas to get people excited and engaged again.
Monica Willyard
"The best way to predict the future is to create it." -- Peter Drucker
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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of EVAN REESE
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 8:13 AM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: where are all the submits
Hahaha! You are right, the issue is quality, not time taken. But I would
argue that there is a relationship between the two that is not necessarily
one to one, but significant nonetheless. It is not a book or two, but a
pattern involving a lot of books.
What you are describing with the book you checked out is an isolated
incident; and you certainly did more than the Jiffyproofing being talked
about here. What I and others here are talking about is a pattern of
checking out books and checking them back in again without any apparent
attempt to even look at the text. They couldn't have done so in the time
they had.
Now, if the quality of all those submits was truly stellar, then that would
be great, and no major correcting would have had to be done. But, unless
they were all children's books, which we know they were not, how would
anyone have been able to find out what the quality was in the kind of
timeframes we're talking about here?
Still, having said all that, the question occurs to me: Could even several
Jiffy proofreaders, taking several books each day, be responsible for the
drastic decline in the number of books on the Check Out page? I suppose it
is possible, but it seems unlikely that that is the entire cause. But as
Lissi says, we just don't know enough to do anything other than speculate at
this point.
Evan
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From: "Bob" <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 12:25 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: where are all the submits
> Evan should only be allowed to send messages like that after the kids have
> gone to bed. After all, we do have standards here <smile>.
>
> However, I still say that the problem is in the quality, not in the time
> it takes to proofread a book. And, that's what we should be reporting to
> bookshare.
>
> For example, yesterday I downloaded The Boss's Christmas Proposal by
> Allison Leigh. Don't ask me why because I don't know--except, perhaps I
> really wanted something to validate (I mean proof read). But it's a
> harliquin romance, and I'm more in to Nero Wolfe.
>
> It started out with a 99.7 in Kurzweil, which is where most of the books I
> proofread end up. But, there were a couple of interesting problems. For
> example, the author kind of liked the word tsk meaning "shame on you". She
> used the word tsked (past tense of tsk) three times in her book, two of
> them were plainly correct, but one of them made no sense, and the only way
> I could make it make sense was to change tsked to asked. I also took out
> the running titles at the tops of pages and protected chapter headings. I
> eventually got the message from Kurzweil that we love to hear, "your
> document did not have any errors in it, wow! what are the chances of
> that?" So, I sent the book back up and it's been accepted in the
> collection. I had the book for less than twenty-four hours. And I don't
> think I did a jiffy proofread.
>
> However, I must admit I didn't read the entire book, it isn't my cup of
> tea, at all. In fact, I did read the last chapter, and I found myself
> laughing too hard to proofread anything.
>
> Bob (who isn't criticizing anyone else's reading preferences)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Julia" <julia.kulak@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 7:21 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: where are all the submits
>
>
>> Oh dear, that's a scary thought.
>> Julia
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "EVAN REESE" <mentat3@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 7:59 PM
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: where are all the submits
>>
>>
>>> Well, if one person takes, say an average of twenty minutes per book,
>>> then they can turn over their five books in less than two hours.
>>>
>>> That's just one person. If several people are doing this, then that
>>> could add up to a lot of books per day that get taken and sent up to the
>>> admin queue.
>>>
>>> And that, of course, assumes that this hypothetical person only does
>>> five books per day. If they wanted to, they could turn over quite a few
>>> more books than that.
>>>
>>> Evan
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "E." <thoth93@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 1:36 PM
>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: where are all the submits
>>>
>>>
>>>> Since they can each only take five books, this still means very few
>>>> fiction books are on the check in books list Roger.
>>>>
>>>> At 01:11 PM 3/21/2009, you wrote:
>>>>>Nicholas Wilcox and Julie Barrett got them all.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Philosophers have merely interpreted the world in various
>>>>> ways; the point is to change it." Karl Marx
>>>>>
>>>>>table with 2 columns and 6 rows
>>>>>Subj:
>>>>>[bksvol-discuss] where are all the submits
>>>>>Date:
>>>>>3/21/2009 1:08:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>>>>>From:
>>>>>thoth93@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>Reply-to:
>>>>>bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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>>>>>bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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>>>>>(Details)
>>>>>table end
>>>>>
>>>>>There are so few books on check in books page these days and so few
>>>>>of them are fiction. What is going on? So little for a proof reader
>>>>>to do, sigh!!
>>>>>
>>>>>E.
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