[bksvol-discuss] Re: stories have powerful effects
- From: juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx
- To: "bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 19:28:26 -0500 (EST)
Here in the U.S. guide dogs, or dog guides, smile which ever you prefer.
smile, are trained to do escalators and revolving doors. It is rare that I
have to use a revolving door, but my three foot long eighty pound dog and I
do fit quite nicely in them. He also does escalators when we encounter them
in the environment. Which at the shopping mall is important as the
elevators are out in the middle of no where. Smile.
In the United Kingdom they are required by law to carry their guides up and
down the escalator and of course this is causing a lot of controversary as
most other countries have stopped this practice.
My dog has done some bad things in his life.
He is a bit dog distracted but if the handler let's me know, if I haven't
figured it out myself then I take the appropriate action.
I have met some very badly behaved guides, and have told businesses they can
deny the dogs access if they are unkempt, badly behaved, destructive, or
what have you.
Shelley L. Rhodes and Judson, guiding golden
juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Guide Dogs For the Blind Inc.
Graduate Advisory Council
www.guidedogs.com
The vision must be followed by the venture. It is not enough to
stare up the steps - we must step up the stairs.
-- Vance Havner
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 1:37 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: stories have powerful effects
Wow. That revolving door story sounded like an urban
legend, but I checked and it's not listed as one. It
could, of course, happen to any dog.
In fact, I think when I checked on the story that
there was any article saying one shouldn't take dogs
on escalators ore through revolving doors. In a lot of
places there are regular doors next to revolving
doors, but I guess not everywhere. But is there room
for a large dog in the space between the parts of a
revolving door? They seem relatively narrow to me. I
can't imagine my friend's standard poodle in one. I'll
have to ask her.
Cindy
-- Gary Petraccaro <garyp130@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> They're not going to change because of one story.
> If we're that hot-house, we need keepers. If we
> don't want to be seen as being in need of
> protection, we shouldn't over do this kind of thing.
> Really unpleasant part ahead for the squeemish.
> One friend of mine from Seeing Eye days once took
> his dog into a department store which had revolving
> doors. The dog just wasn't having a great day. He
> was probably sick from something and, well, let's
> just say it all came out while they were going
> through the revolving door. Other people were
> behind my friend. Wonderful image, and not the
> first time it's happened, since I Read that story
> before my friend ever told me of his experience.
> Now, there's no way that story won't be told.
> People always tell that kind of thing and sometimes
> there's a spin of one kind and sometimes of another.
> The world has Not ended because of those incidents
> and people aren't going to stop telling them.
> Another case in point. Friends of mine have 4 kids,
> so they're used to what that means. A nun came over
> for a reason I've forgotten by now. One of the kids
> was in diapers. She loaded one after another of
> them up. Four times in all. They tell the story on
> the nun, saying that she was giving them looks like
> she was glad she wasn't going to be a mother anytime
> soon. People aren't going to stop having kids
> because of this kind of thing. Give in to the
> fishbowl atmosphere and we will be drowned in it is
> what I'm saying.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Julie Morales
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 9:14 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: stories have
> powerful effects
>
>
> Maybe, for us, it's more like sneering at the
> owners, but for a sighted person who doesn't know
> blind people and doesn't know anything about guide
> dogs...well, that leaves a bad image in their minds
> about the dogs. It is their owners, a lot of times,
> for sure, but we know that. We're familiar with the
> training of guide dogs, and we're familiar with how
> the handlers are supposed to handle their dogs, but
> a sighted person may not be, and that's the scenario
> that worries most of us. We hit enough brick walls
> on our own without having to worry about a
> well-intentioned funny anecdote and what kind of
> effect that might have on someone. Take care.
> Julie Morales
> To be in your children's memories tomorrow, you
> need to be in their lives today. -- Unknown
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gary Petraccaro
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 7:05 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: stories have
> powerful effects
>
>
> I think it's more a question of sneering at the
> owners.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: E.
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 6:34 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] stories have
> powerful effects
>
>
> Cindy I assume you mean pass along the story
> of the guide dog who was so
> disruptive because her person did not choose
> to control her. Pass it along
> if you must. I do notice that people tend to
> pass along stories of how
> badly a dog, particularly a guide dog behaves
> with a lot of glee. I think
> it is one thing to pass along stories among
> ourselves. I do get concerned
> when sighted people gleefully pass along
> stories about how badly a guide
> dog behaves, how poorly a guide dog is dealt
> with by his or her person and
> how a guide dog failed and did something wrong
> like run a light, run their
> person into something or whatever. Then
> sighted folks can use those
> stories to be hesitant about renting to those
> of us with dogs, or letting
> us into restaurants and so on. It may be
> illegal but all of us with dogs
> have had issues of access at one time or
> another.
>
> I know it is far from your intention to do
> this but be careful with
> stoires. They can have powerful results many
> unintentional. I am sorry if
> this sounds harsh but I have had a number of
> instances when sighted people
> just had to come up to me and tell me about
> bad behavior or guide dogs or
> their people.
>
> I am therefore overly cautious about stories
> of incidents particularly
> involving food.
>
> By the way, I have been with Seeing Eye dogs
> for over thirty years and do
> know those stoires from my own experience.
> But I would be careful telling
> them to restaurant owners or hotel operators
> or landlords, or cabbies, bus
> drivers and so forth. We still have barriers
> to access some of them fueled
> by lack of knowledge.
>
> E.
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