[bksvol-discuss] Re: stories have powerful effects
- From: Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:37:41 -0800 (PST)
Wow. That revolving door story sounded like an urban
legend, but I checked and it's not listed as one. It
could, of course, happen to any dog.
In fact, I think when I checked on the story that
there was any article saying one shouldn't take dogs
on escalators ore through revolving doors. In a lot of
places there are regular doors next to revolving
doors, but I guess not everywhere. But is there room
for a large dog in the space between the parts of a
revolving door? They seem relatively narrow to me. I
can't imagine my friend's standard poodle in one. I'll
have to ask her.
Cindy
-- Gary Petraccaro <garyp130@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> They're not going to change because of one story.
> If we're that hot-house, we need keepers. If we
> don't want to be seen as being in need of
> protection, we shouldn't over do this kind of thing.
> Really unpleasant part ahead for the squeemish.
> One friend of mine from Seeing Eye days once took
> his dog into a department store which had revolving
> doors. The dog just wasn't having a great day. He
> was probably sick from something and, well, let's
> just say it all came out while they were going
> through the revolving door. Other people were
> behind my friend. Wonderful image, and not the
> first time it's happened, since I Read that story
> before my friend ever told me of his experience.
> Now, there's no way that story won't be told.
> People always tell that kind of thing and sometimes
> there's a spin of one kind and sometimes of another.
> The world has Not ended because of those incidents
> and people aren't going to stop telling them.
> Another case in point. Friends of mine have 4 kids,
> so they're used to what that means. A nun came over
> for a reason I've forgotten by now. One of the kids
> was in diapers. She loaded one after another of
> them up. Four times in all. They tell the story on
> the nun, saying that she was giving them looks like
> she was glad she wasn't going to be a mother anytime
> soon. People aren't going to stop having kids
> because of this kind of thing. Give in to the
> fishbowl atmosphere and we will be drowned in it is
> what I'm saying.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Julie Morales
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 9:14 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: stories have
> powerful effects
>
>
> Maybe, for us, it's more like sneering at the
> owners, but for a sighted person who doesn't know
> blind people and doesn't know anything about guide
> dogs...well, that leaves a bad image in their minds
> about the dogs. It is their owners, a lot of times,
> for sure, but we know that. We're familiar with the
> training of guide dogs, and we're familiar with how
> the handlers are supposed to handle their dogs, but
> a sighted person may not be, and that's the scenario
> that worries most of us. We hit enough brick walls
> on our own without having to worry about a
> well-intentioned funny anecdote and what kind of
> effect that might have on someone. Take care.
> Julie Morales
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gary Petraccaro
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 7:05 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: stories have
> powerful effects
>
>
> I think it's more a question of sneering at the
> owners.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: E.
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 6:34 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] stories have
> powerful effects
>
>
> Cindy I assume you mean pass along the story
> of the guide dog who was so
> disruptive because her person did not choose
> to control her. Pass it along
> if you must. I do notice that people tend to
> pass along stories of how
> badly a dog, particularly a guide dog behaves
> with a lot of glee. I think
> it is one thing to pass along stories among
> ourselves. I do get concerned
> when sighted people gleefully pass along
> stories about how badly a guide
> dog behaves, how poorly a guide dog is dealt
> with by his or her person and
> how a guide dog failed and did something wrong
> like run a light, run their
> person into something or whatever. Then
> sighted folks can use those
> stories to be hesitant about renting to those
> of us with dogs, or letting
> us into restaurants and so on. It may be
> illegal but all of us with dogs
> have had issues of access at one time or
> another.
>
> I know it is far from your intention to do
> this but be careful with
> stoires. They can have powerful results many
> unintentional. I am sorry if
> this sounds harsh but I have had a number of
> instances when sighted people
> just had to come up to me and tell me about
> bad behavior or guide dogs or
> their people.
>
> I am therefore overly cautious about stories
> of incidents particularly
> involving food.
>
> By the way, I have been with Seeing Eye dogs
> for over thirty years and do
> know those stoires from my own experience.
> But I would be careful telling
> them to restaurant owners or hotel operators
> or landlords, or cabbies, bus
> drivers and so forth. We still have barriers
> to access some of them fueled
> by lack of knowledge.
>
> E.
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