[bksvol-discuss] Re: Preserving Indentation

  • From: "Amy Goldring Tajalli" <agoldringtajalli@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 16:10:42 -0500

Lissi,

I wish Cindy and I knew what you did when we tried to show the indentations in 
the poetry of Kipling.  We tried everything - I say we but Cindy did most of 
the work - to get the  indentations including changing the margin for virtually 
every line which we wanted to indent. And I do mean Everything: One space . two 
or three or more spaces, tabs, If you find an answer please let me know but I 
cannot imagine you will have any more luck than we did and I there

Now we learn that that is why everything ended up double-space instead of with 
the indentations Kipling used in his work which were extensive and meaningfull. 
If you download the Kipling and compare it to the book (paper or hardback) you  
will know what to expect and I am sorry I could not have been forewarned or 
warned you in advance. This is all the more reason for a change in the 
Bookshare program. 

Amy


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Estelnalissi" <airadil@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 12:16 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Preserving Indentation


> Dear Cindy, Gerald, Jim,  and Everyone,
> 
> I keep worrying that indentation bone, too.
> 
> I understand that the tools ignore multiple spaces and tabs, but wonder if 
> they'd put in a single space at the beginning of a line after a hard return.
> 
> For example, in a poem where every other line was indented we know it will 
> be double spaced because we have to use a hard return so lines end where 
> they are supposed to. Then, would every other line be a tiny bit indented if 
> it was started with a space?
> 
> If we're not sure about this, I can test it out on the next really short 
> children's book I get so the experiment can be quickly done and quickly 
> checked.
> 
> Today I uploaded A New History of Wales. It's extremely informative, but I 
> confess it's also pretty dry unless you are really interested in 250 pages 
> of names and dates chronicling 2500 years of pivotal historic episodes.
> 
> The Book of Lost Tales, my masterwork to date, is almost ready, but I may be 
> changing the 3 space indents to one space indents depending on the answers I 
> get to this message.
> 
> Before Saint Patrick's Day I'll also be uploading Emerald Magic, a terrific 
> collection of new Irish Fantasy stories for adults by various authors 
> including some you'll recognize like Charles De Lint, Andrew Greeley and 
> Tanith Lee.
> 
> What are all of you up to? It's fun hearing what's in the pipe lines.
> 
> Always with love,
> 
> Lissi
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Grandma Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 8:31 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Preserving Indentation
> 
> 
>> This has also been a problem with poetry. I learned
>> recently about the tabs and spaces being eliminated,
>> but I thought if I changed margin settings the
>> indentations for certain verses would be retained. Now
>> I find out that that isn't the case--and all these
>> years I've been indenting paragraphs, which people
>> said they preferred to skipping lines between them,
>> and indenting quotations and such, e.g.,
>> correspondence and newspaper articles, etc., in books
>> when they appear that way in the print book, and just
>> *very* recently I find out that those aren't retained
>> either?
>>
>> Maybe when they get some more engineers something can
>> be done. Really, all that would have to happen is that
>> tabs be retained. Then indentation of every tupe would
>> be easy.
>>
>> Cindy
>>
>> --- Gerald Hovas <GeraldHovas@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Jim,
>>>
>>> Sorry, but Bookshare's books don't preserve
>>> indentation.  That's probably
>>> because they're based on XML, which, like HTML, is
>>> designed to specify
>>> structure, not formatting.  Whatever the reason,
>>> tabs are essentially
>>> stripped and multiple spaces are treated as a single
>>> space.
>>>
>>> HTH
>>>
>>> Gerald
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>> Behalf Of
>>> james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 9:59 AM
>>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Preserving Indentation
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I just downloaded for validation "Beginning Python,"
>>> a programming book.
>>> Preserving indentation is essential to that
>>> language. Is there a way for
>>> indentation to be preserved in the approval process,
>>> or am I wasting my
>>> time making sure all the code in the book at least
>>> compiles only to have it
>>> ruined?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>>
>>> James D Homme,
>>> Usability Engineering
>>> Highmark Inc.
>>> james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> 412-544-8177
>>>
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