Exactedly. Let us look at a case study. Banking. When computers came in, everyone was worried about the attendant job loss. At first, everyone got all excited by the multitude of new jobs: developers and so on. Then the effects of the new technology started to come through. Please, can anyone here honestly tell me that there are more people employed by the finance sector today than 30 years ago (keeping pop increases etc in mind)? Banks have been systematically laying off staff for 20 years now. You can't tell me their developer division, a dozen or two people, somehow equate to the THOUSANDS of tellers etc they have laid off over this period. The IT division - another dozen people or two. So we are looking at definitely one, and maybe at least 2 orders of magnitude in difference here. Now, for the smarty pants who try to claim that the people in, say IBM's mainframe development division, make up for this, they are also numbered in the dozens, and they support ALL industries - not just banking, so you can only claim a small % of this crowd as well. Would banks REALLy bother putting in computers if all they did was directly shift the labour assignment to other duties? Of course not - that would DECREASE their profit by the additional expense of the IT. They implement IT to reduce headcount, and thusly INCREASE their profit. ___________ I watched this happen at a small local level too. When I was a wee little tacker, there was no such thing as office systems. My dad's accounting business employed a secretarial pool numbering over a dozen - armed with typewriters and carbon sheets. Every senior partner had a junior partner to assit them. Then they bought a mini-computer. Within 10 years I watched the secretary pool shrink to 2 and the need and presence of junior partners reduced to one. Yes, the business was servicing more clients 10 years down the track, and without the computer would have needed to hire extra staff to deal with the workload. The company that provided both hardware and software was called Hartley. They had a hundred or so employees, servicing hundreds of accountancies. So, at best there was one extra person hired to make the hardware and software for my dad, and over 10 people made redundant. ____________ NCR also makes for a good case study as well. Please, for those opponents of the argument, provide a case study that clearly shows the reverse of the above. Its all very easy to say "But its not true", now go ahead and prove it. -----Original Message----- From: Peter G Martin ... There may indeed be a transfer of labour from one area to another, but it's not likely, is it, to be a one-for-one transfer ? ************************************************** To post a message to austechwriter, send the message to austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe to austechwriter, send a message to austechwriter-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with "subscribe" in the Subject field. To unsubscribe, send a message to austechwriter-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe" in the Subject field. To search the austechwriter archives, go to www.freelists.org/archives/austechwriter To contact the list administrator, send a message to austechwriter-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx **************************************************