Hi everyone, Thanks for your thoughtful replies. I’m faced with an organization that wants to justify everything & because they haven’t invested in great Help, they believe they don’t need it. I found some great ROI information on the UK Cherryleaf site. Someone had done a study showing how many less support calls you get if your Help really helps! http://www.cherryleaf.com/consultancy-services-in-user-assistance-and-documentation/support-call-cost-reduction-calculator/ But management wants more! Yes, they consider the manuals as ‘extras’ and some of the most foolish have bought into the notion that no matter how complex the software, there is an ‘intuitive design’ that will make the user have a ‘Eureka’ moment… J Which isn’t true for complex systems… When I wrote manuals for the oil and gas industry many years ago, my managers said (publically) count on a Grade 9 reading level and (privately) the attention span of a cocker spaniel. Intuitive design can only help somewhat in the real human world of users. So I’m still on the search for more actual data. I would love to survey my users but in a financial systems atmosphere, so far I haven’t been allowed to do that. Sincerely, Catherine Girczyc From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bob T Sent: December 20, 2014 4:39 PM To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: atw: Re: Research on when customers need or want online help or manuals? I agree with Christine that good design of the original product is often ignored. I know a good industrial designer who has just walked away from the profession. On the other hand, it seems hat Apple take good basic design very seriously, especially if you read the woofle in the books about Steve Jobs and the company. I found that a user manual that described step by step worked well. It worked better if the comments and support bits were notes between the steps. That enabled use by skilled users who could ignore the comments, and also use by less skilled and new users who needed the notes and comments. One page for each process helps new users. It avoids them getting distracted by what is in effect sales blurb about some "exciting" feature. I rewrote a user guide for my mum 1 - How to record a show with a new disk 2 - How to record a show with a used disk 3 - How to record a show later in the day - new disk 4 - How to record a show later in the day - used disk 5 - how to fornat a new disk 6 - how to format a used disk ......... you get the idea. Bob Trussler