atw: Re: Avoiding Char styles
- From: Bob T <bob.trussler@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 16:58:37 +1000
Char styles.
When Char gets into your document and into your computer, you can end up
with
- your toolbar (in older Word 2003) telling you that every style is Body 3
or something irrelevant, when obviously it is something else.
- in a bad case, you cannot apply a style at all. You actions are simply
ignored.
The clunky workaround is to use Format Painter to make the document "look
right", although it is far from right.
- char styles cannot be deleted. Well, not easily.
Bob Trussler
On 12 September 2014 16:17, Terry Dowling <Terrence.Dowling@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> wrote:
> As I understand it, turning off the ‘Keep track of formatting’ option
> stops the Char styles from being created.
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> I worry when people say I can’t see it, therefore it can’t hurt me. Char
> styles might be better in the more recent versions of Word, but they killed
> docs in Word 2003. I wouldn’t want them floating around.
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> To me, the best way of speeding up the formatting process is to apply
> shortcut keys for each style. Apart from occasional bolding, I never
> manually fudge any styles. Apart from heading styles (which I customise) I
> don’t use any Word default para styles, which means I also don’t use
> Normal. I’ve also removed the auto Bullet and List buttons from my toolbar,
> as well as the ‘Format painter’ brush.
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> Cheers,
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> Terry
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> *From:* austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
> austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Christine Kent
> *Sent:* Friday, 12 September 2014 1:36 PM
> *To:* austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* atw: Re: Word again - format painter does apply "paragraph
> style" to selected destination text
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> First, please note that I am not recommending using Format Painter, only
> explaining that if you select both the source and destination paragraph
> marker you apply the source PARAGRAPH style, not the CHARACTER formatting.
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> Second, I always have my Style Pane Options set as follows.
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> I have just tested this in a new document based on a clean Normal
> template, and discovered something strange.
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> In 2007/2010 the only place Char styles show up is (as far as I know) in
> Find, Replace, Format, Style. They do not show in the Styles Pane, in
> Manage Styles or in the style box that I put on my Quick Access Toolbar.
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> So I created a new document using a clean Normal Template and checked to
> make sure there were no Char Styles in the Find, Replace, Format, Style
> list. There were not.
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> Then I formatted a line of Normal text with Heading 1, applying the style
> using the Styles Pane, then checked again. There was now a Heading 1 Char.
> Note that I DID NOT do this with Format Painter but with the Styles Pane.
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> I tested Heading 2 using the Styles bar on the Ribbon, and Heading 3 using
> the Style Box that I put on my Quick Access Toolbar. In all three methods
> of applying a style, a Char style visible in Find, Replace, Format, Style
> was created after I applied the style. This has nothing at all to do with
> Format Painter – Word is creating them for reasons all of its own, given
> that in none of these cases did I create a new style – I just applied a
> legitimate built-in paragraph style. I couldn’t test what Format Painter
> does, as I have to have used a style to copy it, and in using it, Word
> created the Char style.
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> However, it is worth noting that Word only has one paragraph style,
> Normal, and the Heading Styles are mixed character and paragraph styles.
> This probably has a lot to do with the character formatting of those styles.
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> But to get to the critical question, why does it matter if it does create
> a Char style, given the Char styles are hidden? Just what harm are they
> doing?
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> Remember, I am not advocating using Format Painter – but because, now that
> I have tested it, it takes three keystrokes, and because you have to be
> careful to select the paragraph markers, not because it may or may not
> create Char styles.
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> Christine
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> *From:* austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
> austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Neil Maloney
> *Sent:* Friday, 12 September 2014 2:33 PM
> *To:* austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* atw: Re: Word again - format painter does apply "paragraph
> style" to selected destination text
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> Christine, out of interest, how did you check for the Char Char formatting
> that Warren says the format painter creates?
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> What Warren says makes sense to me (from a Char Char creation point of
> view) and without knowing for sure, I'd think that using the format painter
> would be creating these styles ... and I have the same opinion of them,
> avoid having them in your documents if you can.
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> Word 2007 onwards makes it harder to "see" if there are Char Char styles
> in a document, is that right?
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> Neil.
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Bob Trussler
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