[audacity4blind] Re: Selection with audacity
- From: Thomas Byskov Dalgaard <tbd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 15:59:19 +0100
Hi David!
What is a region in Audacity and what is it used for?
I've tried to find the answer in the help, but it is to me a little confusing.
Best regards
Thomas
> Den 21/01/2015 kl. 15.07 skrev David Bailes <david_bailes@xxxxxxxxxxx>:
>
> Hi Thomas,
> concerning the problem with pressing the letter c for play cut/preview. If I
> select a time range which starts at time zero, and press c, all I get is a
> delay before hearing the audio after the selected time range - I don't hear
> any distortion.
> You can change the length of playback before and after in the playback
> category of preferences. So if you wanted to hear the audio after the
> selection, you could set the preview before cut region to zero.
> Unfortunately there currently isn't a command to play the audio just before
> the end of a selection. One work around for this would be:
> 1. choose region save on the edit menu.
> 2. press right arrow to move the cursor to the end of the selected time
> range, and deselect the time range.
> 3. hold down shift+left arrow for a second or two to move the start of
> selection a little earlier.
> 4. press spacebar to play.
> 5. choose region restore on the edit menu.
>
> David.
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, 20 January 2015, 18:28, Thomas Byskov Dalgaard
> <tbd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi David!
>
> Thank you so much for an interesting answer.
> My problem may be that I am used to do something like the following when I'm
> editing:
> When I have found the start of the edit I set a marker. In Audacity this
> would be the left bracket key.
> I then listen until I find the place where I want to make the end of the
> edit, so I push the right bracket key.
> Now I want to adjust the start and finish of the edit.
> And here I find it a little hard inside Audacity. I get the idea that I can
> move by shift and the arrowkeys to extend the length of the selected audio
> and CTRL-shift and the arrowkeys to decrease the length of the audio.
> What I would like to do is the following:
> Instead of listening to the entire selected audio I wish there was a
> keystroke that would play where the start or the end of the selection was, so
> I could adjust this a little easier. Now I find myself listening over and
> over to the same audio and it takes a little longer to get the edits right.
> I can use the C-key but if I do this in the start of a file Audacity raws
> something at me like distorsion because there is nothing to play before the
> time 0:00.
>
> I believe I could do something that would make my edits a lot easier, but
> haven't figured out the bst way of doing this. Do you have any suggestions?
>
> Best regards
> Thomas
>
>> Den 16/01/2015 kl. 19.49 skrev David Bailes <david_bailes@xxxxxxxxxxx>:
>>
>> Hi Thomas,
>> this is replying to some of the problems that you have with positioning the
>> cursor, and selecting audio. Here are one or two things that you may or may
>> not be aware of.
>> 1. You can change the size of the step when you move the cursor using
>> left/right arrow, or adjust the selected time range using shift + left/right
>> arrow and ctrl+shift+left/right arrow. This is done by adjusting the zoom
>> level - commands and shortcuts are on the view menu. More details are given
>> in my Jaws guide: In the "moving the cursor section", there's a "step size
>> of the left and right arrow keys" sub section.
>>
>> 2. When there's no playback you can move the cursor backward and forward in
>> small steps using the keys comma and period respectively. And in larger
>> steps using shift+comma and shift+period. These two step sizes share the
>> same values as those used to seek forward and backwards during playback, and
>> can be set in the playback category of preferences.
>>
>> 3. If you're wanting to position the cursor when the exact position depends
>> on the audio leading up to the cursor position, one way of doing this would
>> be as follows. Select a time range which starts a few seconds before this
>> position and ends at the position. You can then adjust the end of the
>> selection whilst being able to listen to the audio up to it. You can then
>> press right arrow, which deselects the time range and positions the cursor
>> at the end of the deselected time range.
>>
>> David.
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, 13 January 2015, 22:14, Thomas Byskov Dalgaard
>> <tbd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Manu and others!
>>
>> Manu:
>> I’m a Mac-user as well, and I have used Audacity for a couple of months.
>> I have never got the selection bar to work probably due to some
>> accessibility issues in Audacity whereVoiceover will not read the numbers if
>> you do not use the Vo-keys and the arrow keys to read the numbers.
>> David Bales has written an excellent introduction to Audacity for users of
>> Jaws, but we can all benefit from this on the Mac too, so try to find this
>> guide. It is located in the help under advanced, accessibility, I believe.
>>
>> When you are navigating Audacity you need to do this in a very windows
>> fashion way. That is not a bad thing, it is just a little unusual compared
>> to how you would use standard Mac applications.
>> What you need to do is to move the Mac’s keyboard cursor along with the
>> Voiceover cursor. That is done by pressing tab or shift-tab, as you do in
>> Windows. That is very much needed in the preferences since you otherwise
>> will miss some important informations, and the screen seems confusing. At
>> least that was what my experience was when i first used Audacity.
>>
>> You will need to disable a certain checkbox inside the preferences that
>> tells Audacity to select everything by default, as mentioned by others on
>> this list.
>>>
>>>
>>> Now to the selection issue:
>>> 1. Record your sound.
>>> 2. Playback by pressing spacebar.
>>> 3. When you are at the position where you want the selection to start press
>>> shift-a.
>>> 4. You can either press left bracket key to set the start of selection, or
>>> simply just press space again to start playback again. Now you’ll hear the
>>> sound from where the cursor is placed.
>>> 5. When you are at the position for the selection to end press the right
>>> bracket key… perhaps press P first to pause before you set the end of
>>> selection marker.
>>>
>>>
>>> Now you can press spacebar and hear the entire selection.
>>>
>>>
>>> That is how I do this most of the time.
>>> Sorry for making things a little confusing, but here I have some questions
>>> for selection as well:
>>> I wish it would be possible to hear what is before and after the selection,
>>> without removing the selection. I am not talking about the preview feature
>>> where you can press e to hear how the edit will sound.
>>> When I am selecting the last few seconds of a file I have an issue when I
>>> have moved the cursor with shift-a. I can not play back and go to the left
>>> of the cursor while I am playing the sound back. Another thing is that the
>>> increments the movements are sometimes are way to big, so instead of
>>> hearing the last four seconds, I hear 10 or 14 seconds instead.
>>> And lastly:
>>> … And if I set the cursor a wrong place with shift A I can’t get before
>>> that spot, as mentioned, and sometimes I just need to hear what’s coming up
>>> if I need to make some edits so the recording still sounds natural, and if
>>> I need to move the cursor back to an earlier spot I have to press home to
>>> get to the begining of the track instead of moving the cursof a little to
>>> the lfet or just be able to hear a little to the left of the cursor.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>> Thomas
>> Den 13/01/2015 kl. 19.41 skrev Manu <etann@xxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>>>
>> Hi,
>> Thank for your reply.
>> I tested theses following actions :
>> 1. R : to record my voice (OK)
>> 2. Space Bar : To play (OK)
>> 3. Shift+A : to pause and put cursor for my begin selection (OK)
>> 4. Right arrow Key few time : to adjust selection landscape bar to play
>> selection (OK)
>> 5. Delete :( Error) All content of my recording is deleted.
>> I see in selection bar and the piece of my recording is selected as well.
>>
>> 1. R : to record my voice (OK)
>> 2. Space Bar : To play (OK)
>> 3. Shift+A : to pause and localise the begin selection (OK)
>> 4. Adjust selection with select bar : Begin selection to 000001seconds to
>> end selection 0000003S (OK)
>> 5. Delete (OK)
>> But this method is easier than the first method…
>> Haïe, Haïe, Haïe...
>>
>> Amicalement…
>> ——————
>>
>> Manu
>> - Mail : etann@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>> - Skype : manu-dpk
>>
>> Découvres mes compositions personnelles sur mon site web officiel :
>> http://www.manu-dpk.net
>>
>> L'association DVRGV, c’est quoi ?
>> Elle regroupe un ensemble de personnes passionnées par le son. Le but est
>> de faire découvrir à tout individu passant par ici, des métiers, des
>> ambiances sonores, à travers des reportages d’une quinzaine de minutes.
>> Pour en savoir plus, c’est ici : http://www.dvrgv.org
>>
>> —————————————————————————————————————————————
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>> n’est pas nécessaire.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Le 13 janv. 2015 à 18:32, vitorflash <vitorflash@xxxxxxxxxx> a écrit :
>>>
>> In windows, and using an english or US keeboard, you can use the left and
>> right brackets to mark the beginning and end of a selection. In case of a
>> different keeboard, you can probably change the kee assigned to the marks in
>> the
>> keeboard shortkuts dialog under the preferences menu; probably the same
>> applies
>> to mac as well.
>> From: Manu
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 5:16 PM
>> To: audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [audacity4blind] Re: Selection with
>> audacity
>> Thank
>> you for your fast reply.
>> Like Windows system, I can select and unselect my track… I’m verifying
>> before editing my track…
>> I d’ont understand why I can’t select easily with my arrow
>> keys…
>> Can we make any markers on a track like others sound editors ? Beginner
>> marker and end markers… After we can delete that there’s between two
>> markers ?
>>
>> Amicalement…
>> ——————
>>
>> Manu
>> - Mail : etann@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>> - Skype :
>> manu-dpk
>>
>> Découvres mes compositions personnelles sur mon
>> site web officiel : http://www.manu-dpk.net
>>
>> L'association DVRGV, c’est
>> quoi ?
>> Elle
>> regroupe un ensemble de personnes passionnées par le son. Le but est de
>> faire
>> découvrir à tout individu passant par ici, des métiers, des ambiances
>> sonores, à
>> travers des reportages d’une quinzaine de minutes.
>> Pour en savoir plus, c’est
>> ici : http://www.dvrgv.org
>>
>> —————————————————————————————————————————————
>> Respectons
>> l’environnement ! Veuillez ne pas imprimer cet e-mail, si ce n’est pas
>> nécessaire.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Le 13 janv. 2015 à 17:46, vitorflash <vitorflash@xxxxxxxxxx> a écrit :
>>>
>>> Hello.
>>> Well, i’m not a mac user and actually never used it, but i had the same
>>> problem with the windows version.
>>>
>>> Reading the manual, i found that by default, at least in windows, all the
>>> audio in a track is selected unless we actually make a selection.
>>> So I followed the instructions and just went to the preferences menu and to
>>> the tracks dialog. Tabbing arround, there i found
>>> Behaviors Select all audio in project, if none selected check box checked,
>>> and unchecked it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Also, it’s important to press enter to actually select a track before
>>> being able to edit the audio. I don’t really know if these rules apply to
>>> the mac system, but hope that helps anyway.
>>>
>>> From: Man
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 4:06 PM
>>> To: audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [audacity4blind] Selection with audacity
>>> Hi,
>>> I’m a new user of Audacity.
>>> I’m mac user.
>>> So I’d like to select a pice of record on one track. For example, begin
>>> selection at 00:00:03 to end selection at 00:00:03.
>>> I can use selection bar but if I want be more perfect I must adjust
>>> selection with Shift+right arrow or Shift+left Arrow or Shift+Command+Right
>>> arrow and Shift+Command+Left Arrow.
>>> But when I want to make selection with arrow key, if I delete selection,
>>> all content of my track is deleted. Before, I see in selection bar what
>>> it’s select and my selection is good.
>>> Please, tell me if I forget something to delete juste my selection and not
>>> all content of track !!!
>>>
>>> I’m french lol… Sorry for my bad english…
>>>
>>> Amicalement…
>>> ——————
>>>
>>> Manu
>>> - Mail : etann@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> - Skype :
>> manu-dpk
>>>
>>> Découvres mes compositions personnelles sur mon site web officiel :
>>> http://www.manu-dpk.net
>>>
>>> L'association DVRGV, c’est quoi ?
>>> Elle regroupe un ensemble de personnes passionnées par le son. Le but est
>>> de faire découvrir à tout individu passant par ici, des métiers, des
>>> ambiances sonores, à travers des reportages d’une quinzaine de minutes.
>>> Pour en savoir plus, c’est ici : http://www.dvrgv.org
>>>
>>> —————————————————————————————————————————————
>>> Respectons
>> l’environnement ! Veuillez ne pas imprimer cet e-mail, si ce n’est pas
>> nécessaire.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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