[argyllcms] Re: Crushed shadow details
- From: xun wang <xun911@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: argyllcms@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 22:54:36 -0400
Hi Alan, thanks for the link. It's a great article.
I ended up using i1d2+ccmx & calibrated my monitor at native WP, 100lux &
0.25 BP with ~670:1 contrast ratio. And I see every bit of the shadow
details, including from 0 to 1 in RGB. With Colormunki I get pretty much
identical visual result but when I ran calibrated reports, I constantly get
about 100-120 less contrast ratio at ~560:1.
X-rite OEM software gave OK result but with very limited features and less
shadow details. So everything is working great so far.
Thanks again Graeme for making such a useful tool available for so many
devices/OS! and for free!
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 8:59 PM, Alan Goldhammer <agoldhammer@xxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
> I wouldn't worry about the reduced contrast ration if you are using your
> monitor for photographic work since the contrast ratio of inkjet printers is
> slightly lower than what you have. The key thing regarding calibration of
> monitors is to insure you get a print that matches your monitor and
> depending on the viewing conditions next to your monitor, a number of
> different possible settings can provide a match. A useful essay on this is
> at:
> http://www.luminous-landscape.com/tutorials/why_are_my_prints_too_dark.shtml
> Just FYI, I have a BP of 0.35, WP of 120 and Contrast Ratio of 380:1 and I
> get a good match of prints to monitor when using a Solux light source
> mounted next to the printer.****
>
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>
> *From:* argyllcms-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
> argyllcms-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *xun wang
> *Sent:* Saturday, September 10, 2011 1:40 PM
>
> *To:* argyllcms@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* [argyllcms] Re: Crushed shadow details****
>
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>
> I'm not sure if there is a default black point for argyllcms.****
>
> The x-rite profile is quite decent actually as far as I can tell, it's just
> not nearly as flexible. At 6500k(my lcd's native now is ~5k) 100cd/m2 white
> point, I see black level at 2, have a contrast ratio of ~780:1. I'm not sure
> what the BP is for x-rite because it doesn't say. Using ArgyllCMS and BP
> adjusted to 0.3/cdm2, I see BL from 1, but with a reduced contrast ratio of
> ~470:1.****
>
> On a similar note, I was originally planning to calibrate my i1 display 2
> off the colormunki and use the i1d2 to get better shadow details because
> everyone is saying that spectro doesn't perform as well as a colorimeter in
> dark patches, I understand it's because of the increased noise. But so far
> I'm not seeing any real world differences when I compared ColorMunki with
> i1D2+CCMX in the shadow. I checked out the B&W gradient & examined the dark
> patches in the shadow and didn't notice any conclusive differences between
> the 2. What exactly should I be looking for? ****
>
> ** **
>
> I did however see higher dE in RGB gray balance when I did cross profile
> verification using both to measure against each other, not sure they mean
> anything, but here you go.****
>
> ** **
>
> All settings used are the same & built using high quality setting, with
> only difference in hardware. For CM I turned on Adaptive Hires & BP Drift
> Compensation.****
>
> Using ColorMunki for verification:****
>
> 1) CM profile: http://tinyurl.com/4yqu4km****
>
> 2) i1D2 profile: http://tinyurl.com/3kgq5od****
>
> ** **
>
> Using i1D2+CCMX for verification:****
>
> 1) CM profile: http://tinyurl.com/3jncfnc****
>
> 2) i1D2 profile: http://tinyurl.com/3fkhqz8****
>
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>
> On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 7:50 AM, tony22p <tony22p@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:****
>
> But Xun, to me this raises a question. If you had to raise the black point
> did you then wind up being slightly out of calibration? In other words, was
> the black point setting originally where the calibration software said it
> needed to be?****
>
> ****
>
> *From:* argyllcms-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
> argyllcms-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *xun wang
> *Sent:* Saturday, September 10, 2011 12:40 AM
> *To:* argyllcms@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* [argyllcms] Re: Crushed shadow details****
>
> ****
>
> Never mind I see what I did wrong. All I had to do is to raise the black
> point a bit to get all the shadow details.****
>
> On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 10:22 PM, xun wang <xun911@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:****
>
> Thanks that works!****
>
> ****
>
> I did some some further testing and comparison, and noticed that with
> ArgyllCMS I still get less shadow details than the profile created using
> X-rite's OEM software(ICC v2). Using photoshop's curve tool, the
> lowest discernible shadow details using x-rite profile is 2. With ArgyllCMS
> profile it's 4. I don't see any noticeable color casts in the shadows by
> either profile.****
>
> I also get less gamut volume with the ArgyllCMS: 1,114,180 vs 1,087.920***
> *
>
> ****
>
> Below is the DispcalGUI screenshot for the settings I used, please let me
> know if there're anything I haven't optimized. Because I would really love
> to use ArgyllCMS for my main calibration tool for its powerful features and
> flexibilty. But for now the x-rite OEM software seems to give superior
> result yet taking a fraction of the time.****
>
> ****
>
> DispcalGUI setting screen shot: http://tinyurl.com/3vw7o9y****
>
> ****
>
> I also ran "Very Profile", I'm not entirely sure but it also seems to agree
> that the x-rite profile is oeverall slightly more accurate?****
>
> x-rite profile verification: http://tinyurl.com/44eptzd****
>
> argyllcms profile verification: http://tinyurl.com/4yqu4km****
>
> ****
>
> Any help and inputs are greatly appreciated!****
>
> ****
>
> Xun****
>
> ****
>
> On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Florian Höch <lists+argyllcms@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:****
>
> Am 09.09.2011 20:28, schrieb xun wang:****
>
> ****
>
> Is there anyway I could create a "single gamma + matrix" file for
> Colormunki using the existing saved calculation data without running
> through the "Calibreate & profile" process again? it's painfully slow
> when I use "adaptive hires" + Black Drift Compensation for the Colormunki.
> ****
>
> ****
>
> Yes, you can use the existing ColorMunki data to create a new profile from
> it. (using the commandline tools, give the existing .ti3 as last argument to
> colprof. Or if you use dispcalGUI, set the desired profile type, then in the
> "Options" menu -> "Create profile from measurement data...", then select the
> .ti3 file)
>
> --
> Florian Höch****
>
> ****
>
> ****
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