This message was posted by Dan on AmayaUsers.com. PLEASE DO NOT REPLY VIA EMAIL. Instead, respond to the thread on the WEBSITE by clicking here: http://www.amayausers.com/boards/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?/topic/1/964/2.html#000019 Ok, I'm not an expert by any means. But I also had a PR600 and never had a problem doing a hat, until we bought the XT. Of course, didn't try any until I had to do 3 dozen.... on a weekend.. (NO MELCO available.) I too was ready to throw the machine out the window. Came to this site and some wonderful person gave me a formula...(can't remember now..this was a few years ago) but I'm sure Rod or Ed or someone has it. I believe they told me to measure the hat...from the seam of the bill to the START of the curvature then subtract 1/2" (?) that becomes your AVAILABLE EMBROIDERY AREA. I then made sure the design was .25" smaller than that....and voila..sewed perfect. Can someone verify the formula? We ended up being so upset before we found this formula that I ended up buying 3 other double banded hoops because I thought the problem was the single band hoop. Now they just sit there and gather dust. =========================================================== The AmayaUsers Mailing List Website: http://www.amayausers.com Discussion Board: http://www.amayausers.com/boards Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.amayausers.com/list ===========================================================