I prefer “freemen” because men can choose to set up a system of governance
without having to pay allegiance to it. Does God swear allegiance to his
creation? For myself, I can not use a label created by man’s government to put
man beneath it. Why do we even need the word citizen?
On Jul 6, 2021, at 8:42 AM, Ray Greninger <raygreninger@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
James, I believe it is about corruption. Not petty corruption like a judge
padding his nest, but the corruption of the law of the sea, the law of
Saturn, the law of Satan. Man can trade and even mass produce without
introducing an artifice. But what has he done? He created a world of fictions
that mirrors God’s creation. It is a world of idolatry. It promises abundance
through the economic enslavement of the sons of God. We are lured by the
promise of abundance that comes not from God but from man and his artificial
“money.” Our choice is do we trade using what God gave us-the fruit of his
creation, gold, silver, what have you-or do we use what father of lies gives
us, symbols of debt and enslavement? The choice was thrust upon us before we
knew what was happening. But we failed to see it for what it is. The money
masters pulled it off and our value as men, created in the image and likeness
of our Father has been harnessed for the enrichment of the few. The law of
the sea, the law merchant, is inherently corrupt and that is what is going on
in the courts.
It doesn’t help that people who call themselves Christians will play the game
because they don’t want to risk losing their businesses in a battle with the
irs (they incorporated and got an ein, so they volunteered). I asked a man
who is the regional coordinator for one of the patriot groups springing up
why he didn’t inform his prospective hires that to sign a w4 is perjury
because they do not fit the definition of employee as found in 26 usc 3401(c)
and cannot be required to volunteer into the withholding scheme, which is
voluntary servitude, as a condition of employment. His answer was that the
hires were basically heathens and he wasn’t going to interfere with their
choice to enslave themselves. I replied don’t you think you owe it to them to
at least explain what they getting into? And he said he didn’t want to put
the company at risk in a battle with the irs. So yes, we are all going along
with corruption because we can’t find our way out. But ALL things are
possible with God so why not rely on him fully?
On Jul 6, 2021, at 4:17 AM, Charley Dan <charleydan@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Natural law, natural rights and more importantly these bible believers seen
themselves as kings of the King. Their conscience being Bible supported was
their guide and no other law could interfere with man's conscience given to
them by their creator without interfering with the King of kings.
The very reason Christians are attacked throughout history and in America
today. Is a spiritual law and not man made. Many forefathers stated that one
must be committed to the King of the Holy Bible and this Nation was built
for God fearing folks. So to come to court without repentance is defiance of
the law. Again was in the law of the King. Negative is the ten commandments.
Positive law in Galatians is the fruit of the spirit. Love, joy, peace,
longsuffering, gentleness, meekness, kindness etc. They trusted the law of
the Holy King to defend this nation and not man made kingdom. This is the
tower of Babel every day. Will man in his pride rise up to be greater then
God? Make a kingdom declaring: look what I've done in creating this nation.
This is what our forefathers rejected was no king that was man made could
rule over free people dedicated to the King of kings. This is the only
liberty there is. Jesus said:"my burden is light" or one can take the
tyranny of man/king. Well illustrated with king Solomon who taxed a nation
that split because of it. Only took 3 kings to destroy that nation and after
that the nation rose and fell upon the man king honoring the King of kings.
This was what our forefathers, preachers, and people who fled or outcasted
from Europe was not going to endure again. William Penn who was owner of
Pennsylvania gave PA. Away to religious people to have liberty to worship
the King and not the Pope who the British king paid tribute to.
Who will you serve this day?
On Mon, Jul 5, 2021 at 11:39 PM Don Mashak <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>--
wrote:
Hello:
Just to throw some gas on the God, Sovereignty, WE THE PEOPLE, Natural Law
debate...
Let us never forget the concepts and details of Natural Law and Natural
Rights were
widely known, debated and understood in the "Public Sphere" at the time of
the American
Revolution. Scholars (Men of Letters) debated these principles is Salons
and Bars all over
Europe from 1650-1800. The Founders debated these principles as well as the
Declaration
of Causes and the Declaration of Independence in townsquares and in bars
and pubsl...
Thomas Locke Consolidated these concepts in his 2 Treatises of Civil
Government (1690) in
Response to Hobbes "Leviathan" (Divine Right of Kings) circa 1659.
It is important to recall the history of the period. During The
Renaissance (1450-1600),
European Scholars studied the physical world. They became discontent with
the way the
Church, traditions and the State tried to explain the way the physical
world worked. (eg.
Earth Center Universe) The debated rules to explain the way the physical
world really worked.
When they agreed that a rule was true, it became a settled LAW. Hence, the
LAWS OF PHYSICS.
During THE ENLIGHTENMENT (1650-1800) European and American Scholars decided
to
use the same methods and reasoning of the Renaissance and apply it to human
nature.
Natural Law and Natural Rights are not some sentimental bullshit about the
way humans should be.
The LAWS OF NATURE are based on their unbiased assessment of how human
really interacted with
each other and their physical world. And, in general, humankind is NOT
virtuous. And, just like the
freezing point of pure water at sea level is 32F/OC is unchangeable, so is
the NATURE OF HUMANKIND.
Per the Cato Letters regarding human nature, "ALL [PEOPLE] HAVE FREE WILL
AND ARE NOT
VIRTUOUS BY NATURE.
This is why we must have government and why government must be created with
checks and balances,
accountability and transparency. As well as be kept small so rogue
government is limited in its power.
And, the citizens are the sovereigns having the right to keep government
accountable with the vote
and ultimately, the right to revolt (Consent of the Governed)
In the Natural State we all have to stay home and protect our family, homes
and crap from our neighbors, etc.
We (members of society) enter into the Social Contract so we can delegate
protecting out rights, family and
property from the trespasses of others. Government allows us more freedom
because we are no longer bound
to close proximity to our family, friends, homes and crap.
And the most important responsibility of government is to protect the
Natural Rights of Every Individual from
the trespasses of others, including our government itself. As part of the
Social Contract, the citizens consent to
give up some of their Executive, Legislative and Judicial rights and allow
government to perform those functions.
America was founded on Natural Law and the Natural Rights of the
Individual:
FIRST PARAGRAPH OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE.
In Congress, July 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America, When in
the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve
the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume
among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the
Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the
opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which
impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,
that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,
that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to
secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their
just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of
Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People
to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its
foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to
them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence,
indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be
changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath
shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are
sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they
are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing
invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute
Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such
Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
Now, its going to come up in your discussion about the slaves. How is
their fair, just and equitable.
And I begin by saying, why the fuck do I have to be the one to know and say
this for other generations.
Where are the teachers and the scholars that I am left to teach this?
Under DIVINE RIGHT OF KINGS, ALL SUBJECTS WERE SLAVES. THEY HAD NO RIGHTS,
ONLY
PERMISSIONS AND PRIVILEGES. The King/Queen was deemed a God or
Representative of God
here on earth, and therefore, no earthly-being could challenge the
Kings/Queen's decision and/or authority.
EVEN THE Magna Carte circa 1250, restated the King still had all his
powers, but would just choose NOT
to exercise some of them.... And the Magna Carta only applied to
Aristocrats and Free Men.
And free men were very few...
95% of the subjects were oafs and slaves bound to the land in Feudalism and
the
Magna Carta did not apply to them.
So when the American Colonists revolted, Americans were subjects of Britain,
slaves bound under the DIVINE RIGHT OF KINGS.
Before the American Colonists voted on the Declaration of Independence, its
was agreed the vote must be unanimous..... otherwise the states would end
up
fighting each other in support or defense of Britain.
Jefferson had included language that would have eventually need American
Slavery
in his original draft of the Declaration of Independence..
But the Southern States said they would vote against Independence if
Jefferson's
antislavery language was not removed.
Now I would hope, that if the roles were reversed, black persons would
agree with
and pursue the outcome...
White folks elected to first free themselves from the bondage of slavery
under
the DIVINE RIGHT OF KINGS, and would later come back and fight another
bloody war to free the remaining slaves.
I have already told you the settled metaphysics of Natural Law already
prescribes the nature of humankind as nonvirtuous....
If you are a true student of god, and reject my explanation of the mechanics
of what happened in not immediately granting slaves freedom, the you cannot
be surprised the freeing of the last slaves in America was a messy, drawn
out
affair.
Quite simply, humans being are imperfect beings. We are nonvirtuous be
nature,
so in the alternative, our own wickedness mandated slaveowners would
viciously
defend their right to have slaves....
But, I prefer to think of it simple logistics and logical decisions.
The colonists could not have defeated the British if they were divided
among themselves or the slavery issue that would haunt us until
the end of the civil war.
With that, I return the debate of these metaphysical matters to the floor...
By the way, these are among the topics of some of the debates
the Founder's had with each other, and often they broke down
into bar fights...
Yet, 245 years later the founding documents they produced led
to the America becoming the greatest and most powerful country
in the world....
Those were my thoughts.
Thank you for your time.
In Liberty,
Don Mashak
The Cynical Patriot
On Monday, July 5, 2021, 4:43:21 PM CDT, Ray Greninger
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
This is correct. The constitution is a usurpation of God’s sovereignty.
But, remember, God threw his hands in the air when the Hebrews demanded a
king. You want a king other than me? You got it!
I have come to the conclusion that government created by men for men is not
for free people, it is for those who want to be governed by men. Our
government is the government of the Kingdom of heaven (not Roh’s KOH). How
do we invoke that when we seem to be participating in gov with all of the
licenses and numbers we “ hold?” Easy, we don’t appear on any of those
things. I haven’t seen an application for anything that discloses that you
are applying FOR a legal “thing.” Once the application is is accepted the
man is nowhere to be found
On Jul 5, 2021, at 3:28 PM, Ray Greninger <raygreninger@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
T Roh’s logic is internally consistent, provided, he can prove that We The
People means just the men we call the founders and their posterity. He
offers select evidence but no proof that the guys who were charged with
creating a more perfect union and government for The United States of
America had nefarious motives when the constitution was written.I have seen
no poof of that. We The People could just as easily mean the founders and
the people living on the land of whatever state, or it could mean those who
fought in the revolution. It could mean quite a few things.
On Jul 5, 2021, at 10:51 AM, Just A User Name <sean23jd@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:I think the only real answer is to not live here... there seems no
accessible way to be truly left alone. I just haven’t found the ‘where’
yet...
On Saturday, June 26, 2021, Paul M <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
there seem to be 27 states that now allow merchants to put a tax on their
products when shipped to another state. When was the USA Constitution
modified, someone especially low income states, seemed to disregard the
constitution.
For years I ordered many items thru catalogs as the items were now
available locally. There was a policy for years that a state could only
put on a tax if that item was available locally, as that trade interfered
with local business and its taxes. But now with our money hungry states
nothing is safe from taxation
On Saturday, June 26, 2021, 5:18:03 PM CDT, Don Mashak
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hello Quantum Note:
John Locke on Tyranny (Per Natural Law)
Posted on July 4, 2013 by Matthew Phillips
“199. As usurpation is the exercise of power which another hath a right
to, so
tyranny is the exercise of power beyond right, which nobody can have a
right to; and this is making use of the power any one has in his hands,
not for the good of those who are under it, but for his own private,
separate advantage. When the governor, however entitled, makes not the
law, but his will, the rule, and his commands and actions are not directed
to the preservation of the properties of his people, but the satisfaction
of his own ambition, revenge, covetousness, or any other irregular
passion.”
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Those were my thoughts.
Thank you for your time.
In Liberty,
Don Mashak
The Cynical Patriot
On Saturday, June 26, 2021, 6:32:44 AM CDT, law@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<law@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Note : One of the South Dakota Supreme-Court Judges ruled within the last
few years that «taxes» for «on-line purchases» is some-how
«constitutional» (obvious blatant FRAUD and DECEPTION), but, with a
«ruling» like THAT, I have every reason to regard such a mere
mortal-earthly «judge» as being someone who has a SEVERE «mental-illness»
(as with just about anybody else who believes in «taxing» every damn thing
under the god-forsaken sun). The Messiah, quoting his writings as written
for God unto the «disgraceful» so-called human-race here, most-certainly
disagrees that anything (or anyone) should be «taxed» for any reason.
Speaking of South Dakota corruption, before I get to «quoting» The
Messiah's writings, this piece was written by a Nick Reid back in 2018CE,
see the https://www. southdakotawatchdog.org/blog/ ;
2018/3/8/corruption-in-south- dakota link/url, although that site does not
seem to have been updated since that year...
~ The 'rogue' Constitution ~
All must try and see that the 'Constitution' is itself a 'rogue elephant'
document inspired through greed and vanity and imposed by 'force of arms'
upon the people of every land by 'war lords' posing as benign 'Lords of
the Manor.'
Thus its 'observance' and 'upliftment' is unconstitutional and illegi
timate within the 'Rule' of God's Constitution. It is a terrorist document
devised a nd used to enslave God's children.
The 'Constitution' is what 'cedes' the ownership of the lands & seas of
God and the people into the 'hands' of these 'Lords of the Manor,' who - -
- thus seized control of all that belongs to God that is God's free gift
to all humanity, and who then, to maintain their 'ownership' and control
of it they used the gun and - - - enforced their perceived right to an
annual 'squatters' tithe using their Court and their rules.
This illegal 'seizure' also enables the 'System' via its 'lackeys' to
extract a 'percentage' of all monies earned or pre-earned from the people
of the land using 'force of arms' in a manner very underhand.
Yes, you all become squatters with no 'legal' tenure over any land, and if
you do not 'slave' and pay up every 'drop' of sweat and blood demanded as
their 'due,' then you are evicted off the God given acre by said
'Institution' via its local Council 'acts' and left to roam homeless and
destitute.
The 'State' enforcement officers are the 'rogues' out of control as they
arrogantly on duty stroll, unknowingly doing their duty for God the
Retributioner, the Dark Sovereign Power who 'awaits' to place them in HIS
dark vault for their 'conduct unbecoming.'
The 'elevation' of any Constitution by its imposition upon the community
not only 'steals' all the land and forests, but it also 'assumes'
ownership of all roads, rivers, flora and fauna and fish in the seas.
Thus any person seeking to 'partake' of this 'produce' of the King, - - -
who in fact is the Dark Sovereign Power operating through the greed and
vanity of the worldly 'Lords of the manor' posing as a benign System, - -
- are forced to pay a licence fee 'tithe' in advance or starve.
Thus it is imperative to now 'seize' your God of Light given heritage by
purely peaceful non-action by non-payment of any demands made upon you by
any person, or any person working as a 'lackey' for any punitive
'governing' Institution.
The 'Constitution' Decree
"Let it here be known that any 'Constitution' of any Institution of man
that contains any rules that permit 'extortion' by taxation or, - - - any
rule that allocates God's land or sea or flora or fauna or fish or birds
away from God's children and into 'ownership' of any governing Institution
or, - - -
any rule that permits any person the right to arrest, kidnap, terrorise,
evict, abuse, punish, or kill any other or, - - - any rule that
contravenes the Code of Conduct of God as stipulated within God's
Constitution is deemed by God to be 'unconstitutional' and, - - - its
'officers' and supporters will be punished by God for failing to observe
God's Command and Commandment."
It follows that any legislation enacted subsequent to the 'elevation' of
any governing Constitution is also false legislation that was also imposed
upon the community.
It is now the time for all to 'forgo' the false religious 'belief' that
controls & regulates & punishes that is presently perceived as a 'good'
daily living way. It is not.
It is the time for all to change their religious belief to one that
follows and heeds God's 'Constitutional way,' so that Peace & love &
forgiveness & free giving becomes ones 'living way' each day.
-Quoted from http://the-testament-of- truth.co.uk/truth/web/ slavery2.htm
P.S./Off-Topic : From the looks of things, I can at least access this
e-mail account via a web-mail interface, but, I still have my hands tied
(metaphorically) for a variety of reasons, thus, I will still need to keep
my postings/responses/ interactions/etc., limited, for now.
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