Hi George
Here is an example of what I don't understand.
It's the use of lower b
Firstly on bank statement where it gives my name
it gives:
the uppercase indicator ok but the lower b is used like this:
Mr Derek J Hornby
The letter J has dots 2 3 just before the upper case indicator.
Also where it says
Account type HSBC The HSBC correctly shows double upper case sign,
but also has dots 2 3 just before the first upper case sign.
so what is the need for the lower B in the examples above?
Many thanks
Derek
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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of George Bell
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2015 11:24 AM
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Subject: [access-uk] Re: ueb and SEB for banks statements
Hi Clive and all,
This kind of rubbish stems from poorly informed and poorly trained
transcribers, and I'm sorry to say that it is this kind of thing which
is causing readers to consider UEB a pain to read. Frankly, I don't
blame people for being upset.
Given the very clear rules below, I would respectfully suggest that
strongly worded complaints be made direct to the producers or
suppliers of the braille, referring to these rules.
I know that with at least one very widely used braille translation
program, it is simply a case of checking a box to ignore, bold,
underline and or italic.
The UEB Rules state
9.1.1 Despite wide use of different typeforms in print, it is not
always necessary to indicate them when transcribing into braille. For
example, print will commonly use a distinctive typeface for headings.
This usage is generally ignored in braille where formatting will
distinguish the headings from the rest of text. Also the print
practice of italicising all variables in technical material is
ignored.
9.1.2 Typeform indicators are considered necessary in braille when the
print change in typeform is significant because it indicates emphasis
or shows distinction, e.g. foreign words in English text, titles
within text, subject headings on paragraphs, silent thought, computer
input distinguished from computer output, or the class of a variable
in mathematics.
9.1.3 When it cannot be determined whether or not a change of typeform
is significant, indicate the change.
George
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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Clive.Lever@xxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: 07 December 2015 11:00
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Subject: [access-uk] Re: ueb and SEB for banks statements
Hello Alison,
I quote again the example of an RNIB magazine in which I read the word
But, written as the letter B, but with seven cells worth of spilled
sugar to tell me that the B was capitalised, it was in bold face, and
so on. If the visual effects are crucial, as they could be in a
textbook, I can see the need to represent everything but the kitchen
sink, dot-splurge-dash-dot-squiggle-but, couldn't braille producers
take a more pragmatic, space-saving approach in, say, articles in
Upbeat about the latest Bob Dylan Official Bootleg compilation?
Best,
Clive
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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of CJ &AA MAY
Sent: 07 December 2015 08:28
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: ueb and SEB for banks statements
I can see the benefits of UEB (although the differences in code was
never a barrier to reading other countries' material) and I can even
see why changes needed to be made. However I deeply resent having
capitalisation imposed on me and the need to read all that clutter
before reaching the text. And I strongly resent that the code should
have been imposed without any sort of vote (and we all know why this
was - it wouldn't have been voted for!) I can imagine the uproar if
the UK Government suddenly decided that all English speaking countries
should use the same spelling and that in future all publications would
use the American style of spelling!
In truth I don't know how the code could have been amended to meet
everyone's needs but I really can see no reason why British
publications now are forced to use capitalisation and show font
changes.
Alison
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Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: 07 December 2015 08:21
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Subject: [access-uk] Re: ueb and SEB for banks statements
Hi Alison,
Does it not make sense to you that at last, UK and US Braille for
example, will be the same? Cross-border reading will be easier.
Ambiguous contractions are gone? I can only see good from UEB
personally.
All the best
Steve
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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of CJ &AA MAY
Sent: 06 December 2015 22:14
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: ueb and SEB for banks statements
No, my bank and credit card statements still come in SEB - hurray!
Sorry, I do see the argument that UEB is here to stay and that the
more often we are exposed to it, the better able we will be to deal
with it but I still feel very angry and resentful how this new code
has been imposed upon us.
Alison
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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Derek Hornby
Sent: 06 December 2015 21:18
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] ueb and SEB for banks statements
Hi All
To those of you that receive a Braille bank statement, is it now
using the new Braille code?
My bank HSBC now uses the new UEB code.
Well I am wondering if we have any right to a choice code used.
I don't want to get in to a discussion about the reasons for the
change, but rather, discuss the right to a choice of code used.
Well we can choose grade 1 or grade 2 Braille.
So why not a choice for the Braille code.
Not sure how the transcription software would manage it!
Regards, Derek
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