George, thank you so much for sharing this.
Alison
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George Bell
Sent: 07 December 2015 11:24
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: ueb and SEB for banks statements
Hi Clive and all,
This kind of rubbish stems from poorly informed and poorly trained
transcribers, and I'm sorry to say that it is this kind of thing which is
causing readers to consider UEB a pain to read. Frankly, I don't blame
people for being upset.
Given the very clear rules below, I would respectfully suggest that strongly
worded complaints be made direct to the producers or suppliers of the
braille, referring to these rules.
I know that with at least one very widely used braille translation program,
it is simply a case of checking a box to ignore, bold, underline and or
italic.
The UEB Rules state
9.1.1 Despite wide use of different typeforms in print, it is not always
necessary to indicate them when transcribing into braille. For example,
print will commonly use a distinctive typeface for headings. This usage is
generally ignored in braille where formatting will distinguish the headings
from the rest of text. Also the print practice of italicising all variables
in technical material is ignored.
9.1.2 Typeform indicators are considered necessary in braille when the print
change in typeform is significant because it indicates emphasis or shows
distinction, e.g. foreign words in English text, titles within text, subject
headings on paragraphs, silent thought, computer input distinguished from
computer output, or the class of a variable in mathematics.
9.1.3 When it cannot be determined whether or not a change of typeform is
significant, indicate the change.
George
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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Clive.Lever@xxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: 07 December 2015 11:00
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: ueb and SEB for banks statements
Hello Alison,
I quote again the example of an RNIB magazine in which I read the word But,
written as the letter B, but with seven cells worth of spilled sugar to tell
me that the B was capitalised, it was in bold face, and so on. If the visual
effects are crucial, as they could be in a textbook, I can see the need to
represent everything but the kitchen sink,
dot-splurge-dash-dot-squiggle-but, couldn't braille producers take a more
pragmatic, space-saving approach in, say, articles in Upbeat about the
latest Bob Dylan Official Bootleg compilation?
Best,
Clive
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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
CJ &AA MAY
Sent: 07 December 2015 08:28
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: ueb and SEB for banks statements
I can see the benefits of UEB (although the differences in code was never a
barrier to reading other countries' material) and I can even see why changes
needed to be made. However I deeply resent having capitalisation imposed on
me and the need to read all that clutter before reaching the text. And I
strongly resent that the code should have been imposed without any sort of
vote (and we all know why this was - it wouldn't have been voted for!) I can
imagine the uproar if the UK Government suddenly decided that all English
speaking countries should use the same spelling and that in future all
publications would use the American style of spelling!
In truth I don't know how the code could have been amended to meet
everyone's needs but I really can see no reason why British publications now
are forced to use capitalisation and show font changes.
Alison
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Steve Nutt
Sent: 07 December 2015 08:21
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: ueb and SEB for banks statements
Hi Alison,
Does it not make sense to you that at last, UK and US Braille for example,
will be the same? Cross-border reading will be easier. Ambiguous
contractions are gone? I can only see good from UEB personally.
All the best
Steve
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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
CJ &AA MAY
Sent: 06 December 2015 22:14
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: ueb and SEB for banks statements
No, my bank and credit card statements still come in SEB - hurray!
Sorry, I do see the argument that UEB is here to stay and that the more
often we are exposed to it, the better able we will be to deal with it but I
still feel very angry and resentful how this new code has been imposed upon
us.
Alison
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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Derek Hornby
Sent: 06 December 2015 21:18
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] ueb and SEB for banks statements
Hi All
To those of you that receive a Braille bank statement, is it now using the
new Braille code?
My bank HSBC now uses the new UEB code.
Well I am wondering if we have any right to a choice code used.
I don't want to get in to a discussion about the reasons for the change,
but rather, discuss the right to a choice of code used.
Well we can choose grade 1 or grade 2 Braille.
So why not a choice for the Braille code.
Not sure how the transcription software would manage it!
Regards, Derek
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