[access-uk] Re: smart phones and touch screens
- From: Brian Williams <werewolvesdad@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: "access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 13:00:31 +0100
When we went into an Apple shop to try out the various Mac computers we were
even found a quiet unused training room, their suggestion, so we could try
without any background noise. Very impressive.
Brian
On 15 Sep 2013, at 12:55 PM, Hazel Darvell <witch.hazel66@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Jackie and all whom have got involved in helping my brain understand these
phones better I say a big thanks.
I know now I did not get the first impression useing the Apple phone very well
as the shop I tried this in was not an Apple shop and it was noisey inside so
no wonder I didn't hear the letters on the keyboard and the volume was as loud
as we could get it.
You have all given me encouragement to try in the future.
As I have just paid out for the c5 I will get some use out of this then take
the plunge, anyone offering plenty of paracetomals, ha ha.
Hazel
On 15/09/2013 12:15, Jackie Brown wrote:
> Hi Hazel
>
> I agree the calling quality could be better on some of the latest
> Smartphones, but a lot of that depends on reception and signal coverage.
>
> As for using voice dictation, I used it quite a lot when I first got my
> iPhone, but I do tend to use the on-screen keyboard now most of the time.
> The only occasions where turning on Bluetooth to use my Apple wireless
> keyboard is useful is when I want to write something longer.
>
> It took a little time for me to get used to moving my finger across the
> screen to hear the letter I wanted, then lift my finger to have that letter
> inserted into the text field. The way I grasped it was visualising a raised
> keyboard on the screen. The letters are in exactly the same place as they
> would be on a tactile keyboard, so you just move your finger to where you
> know the letter is you want. You might be slightly out, but listening to
> speech as you move your finger helps you to locate it, and that gets quicker
> the more you do it.
>
> In an app, you also get used to where certain buttons are that you need to
> double-tap. For example, the Dictate button is near the bottom left of the
> screen on an iOS device, and the Send button in a text message is just above
> the 0, so it does actually get quicker with practice.
>
> It isn't for everybody though, I just want to try to encourage people that
> it can be done, and that most of us have felt like making the device part of
> the brickwork! (smile).
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Jackie Brown
> Twitter: @thebrownsplace
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Hazel Darvell
> Sent: 14 September 2013 12:13
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: smart phones and touch screens
>
> Jim I have been following this topic and have a few simple questions for
> those who are already useing them.
> I have sighted friends who use both Galaxy and I phones and report to me
> that they don't make good calls, well guess what I use a phone for when
> I am on the go? yup calling a taxi or others.
> Secondly, do people use the voice activated menus? such as dictating
> their text messages.
> I saw the Apple phone as I said before and this had a touch keypad at
> the bottom but as there was nothing to feel I had no idea which letter I
> was useing.
> Do people use an external keyboard? if so surely this defeats the Idea
> of portable devices if you have to carry this as well.
> Sorry for all the questions but really want to know.
> Thanks.
> Hazel
> On 14/09/2013 11:33, Jim McAuslan wrote:
>> Hi Andy,
>>
>> I'm looking forward to embracing the Apple Mac challenge. Do you have
>> a link or address for an e mail group re Apple related stuff for vi
>> users?
>> Jim Mc
>> On 14/09/2013 10:42, Andy Collins wrote:
>>> And to add to this, there are good podcasts/tutorials and email
>>> groups. I bought my Macbook air in July and now feel very comfortable
>>> with it. There are still one or two things I struggle with, but
>>> mostly all is now going well, and I love it's light weight and
>>> portability, and it's excellent build and feel -
>>>
>>> Andy
>>> On 13 Sep 2013, at 21:55, Ian Macrae
>>> <ian.macrae@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jim, again the move to Mac from PC is a big one so if you need
>>>> assistance there are more of us than there used to be ready to give it.
>>>> On 13 Sep 2013, at 21:33, Jim McAuslan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Ian,
>>>>>
>>>>> That's greatly reassuring. The general consensus of opinion is
>>>>> that the
>>>>> IPhone is the best route to go.
>>>>> As I said to Jackie earlier, I'm also looking forward to getting my
>>>>> very
>>>>> first Apple laptop and that'll be another learning curve, smile.
>>>>> Cheers.
>>>>> Jim Mc
>>>>> On 13/09/2013 15:53, Ian Macrae wrote:
>>>>>> Jim, the first touch screen I tried was a Nokia phone running
>>>>>> Talks and it was hopeless as far as I was concerned. By that time
>>>>>> my sighted wife had started using an iPhone and I gave that a go
>>>>>> and took to it like a duck to water. For me the way in which the
>>>>>> user interacts with the iPhone screen has always felt highly
>>>>>> intuitive. Once you get used to the distance between the
>>>>>> different icons, and know that nothing is going to happen until
>>>>>> you make it happen it just seems to fall into place. It is also
>>>>>> worth going to an Apple store to have a play and asking for
>>>>>> assistance from someone who is familiar with Voiceover. there's
>>>>>> always at least one member of staff who is.
>>>>>> On 13 Sep 2013, at 15:47, Jim McAuslan wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello Jackie,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe I should try an IPhone next. I'm looking to get my first
>>>>>>> Apple
>>>>>>> Mac laptop soon so maybe It'll be logical to try an IPhone.
>>>>>>> Jim Mc
>>>>>>> On 13/09/2013 15:11, Jackie Brown wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Jim
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When I first got an iPhone 4, I felt exactly the same as you do
>>>>>>>> now. I
>>>>>>>> found it hard to answer and end a call, and generally dreaded
>>>>>>>> going near it.
>>>>>>>> But I decided that if I could use my iPod Touch successfully,
>>>>>>>> then I would
>>>>>>>> vow to apply the same logic to an iPhone, and embrace it once
>>>>>>>> and for all.
>>>>>>>> So I did that at the start of this year, and am glad I did now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know Steve will shout me down here, but I find the iOS
>>>>>>>> experience slightly
>>>>>>>> easier than Android. That isn't to say I don't like the latter, I
>>>>>>>> definitely do. But I find it easier to skip round my iOS
>>>>>>>> devices than I do
>>>>>>>> my Nexus 7 tablet. I can't explain why, I just find it more of
>>>>>>>> a hassle.
>>>>>>>> But Mr Nutt will say it is all down to training and getting to
>>>>>>>> know your
>>>>>>>> device well, and I accept that, (smile). I guess you just feel
>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>> comfortable with some things better than others.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please don't feel despondent Jim, I think that, if we are being
>>>>>>>> honest, we
>>>>>>>> have all felt the same way at one point or another.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jackie Brown
>>>>>>>> Twitter: @thebrownsplace
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>> [mailto:access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Jim McAuslan
>>>>>>>> Sent: 13 September 2013 14:32
>>>>>>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>> Subject: [access-uk] smart phones and touch screens
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi List,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Earlier today I wandered into my local O2 shop to investigagte
>>>>>>>> how to
>>>>>>>> use a smart phone with a touch screen. I tried out both the
>>>>>>>> Samsung
>>>>>>>> Galaxy S3 and the S4 and had a very difficult and disempowering
>>>>>>>> experience.
>>>>>>>> I just couldn't seem to get the "double tap" thing going and
>>>>>>>> both phones
>>>>>>>> kept on bombarding me with loads of information that I founhd
>>>>>>>> distracting. I came away feeling slightly depressed and
>>>>>>>> disempowered.
>>>>>>>> Am I alone when it comes to touch phones with speech?
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Jim McAuslan from sunny Findhorn
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>>>>>>> They work best when open
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