[access-uk] Re: smart phones and touch screens
- From: "Jackie Brown" <thebrownsplace@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 12:15:33 +0100
Hi Hazel
I agree the calling quality could be better on some of the latest
Smartphones, but a lot of that depends on reception and signal coverage.
As for using voice dictation, I used it quite a lot when I first got my
iPhone, but I do tend to use the on-screen keyboard now most of the time.
The only occasions where turning on Bluetooth to use my Apple wireless
keyboard is useful is when I want to write something longer.
It took a little time for me to get used to moving my finger across the
screen to hear the letter I wanted, then lift my finger to have that letter
inserted into the text field. The way I grasped it was visualising a raised
keyboard on the screen. The letters are in exactly the same place as they
would be on a tactile keyboard, so you just move your finger to where you
know the letter is you want. You might be slightly out, but listening to
speech as you move your finger helps you to locate it, and that gets quicker
the more you do it.
In an app, you also get used to where certain buttons are that you need to
double-tap. For example, the Dictate button is near the bottom left of the
screen on an iOS device, and the Send button in a text message is just above
the 0, so it does actually get quicker with practice.
It isn't for everybody though, I just want to try to encourage people that
it can be done, and that most of us have felt like making the device part of
the brickwork! (smile).
Kind regards,
Jackie Brown
Twitter: @thebrownsplace
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Hazel Darvell
Sent: 14 September 2013 12:13
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: smart phones and touch screens
Jim I have been following this topic and have a few simple questions for
those who are already useing them.
I have sighted friends who use both Galaxy and I phones and report to me
that they don't make good calls, well guess what I use a phone for when
I am on the go? yup calling a taxi or others.
Secondly, do people use the voice activated menus? such as dictating
their text messages.
I saw the Apple phone as I said before and this had a touch keypad at
the bottom but as there was nothing to feel I had no idea which letter I
was useing.
Do people use an external keyboard? if so surely this defeats the Idea
of portable devices if you have to carry this as well.
Sorry for all the questions but really want to know.
Thanks.
Hazel
On 14/09/2013 11:33, Jim McAuslan wrote:
> Hi Andy,
>
> I'm looking forward to embracing the Apple Mac challenge. Do you have
> a link or address for an e mail group re Apple related stuff for vi
> users?
> Jim Mc
> On 14/09/2013 10:42, Andy Collins wrote:
>> And to add to this, there are good podcasts/tutorials and email
>> groups. I bought my Macbook air in July and now feel very comfortable
>> with it. There are still one or two things I struggle with, but
>> mostly all is now going well, and I love it's light weight and
>> portability, and it's excellent build and feel -
>>
>> Andy
>> On 13 Sep 2013, at 21:55, Ian Macrae
>> <ian.macrae@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Jim, again the move to Mac from PC is a big one so if you need
>>> assistance there are more of us than there used to be ready to give it.
>>> On 13 Sep 2013, at 21:33, Jim McAuslan wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Ian,
>>>>
>>>> That's greatly reassuring. The general consensus of opinion is
>>>> that the
>>>> IPhone is the best route to go.
>>>> As I said to Jackie earlier, I'm also looking forward to getting my
>>>> very
>>>> first Apple laptop and that'll be another learning curve, smile.
>>>> Cheers.
>>>> Jim Mc
>>>> On 13/09/2013 15:53, Ian Macrae wrote:
>>>>> Jim, the first touch screen I tried was a Nokia phone running
>>>>> Talks and it was hopeless as far as I was concerned. By that time
>>>>> my sighted wife had started using an iPhone and I gave that a go
>>>>> and took to it like a duck to water. For me the way in which the
>>>>> user interacts with the iPhone screen has always felt highly
>>>>> intuitive. Once you get used to the distance between the
>>>>> different icons, and know that nothing is going to happen until
>>>>> you make it happen it just seems to fall into place. It is also
>>>>> worth going to an Apple store to have a play and asking for
>>>>> assistance from someone who is familiar with Voiceover. there's
>>>>> always at least one member of staff who is.
>>>>> On 13 Sep 2013, at 15:47, Jim McAuslan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello Jackie,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe I should try an IPhone next. I'm looking to get my first
>>>>>> Apple
>>>>>> Mac laptop soon so maybe It'll be logical to try an IPhone.
>>>>>> Jim Mc
>>>>>> On 13/09/2013 15:11, Jackie Brown wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Jim
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When I first got an iPhone 4, I felt exactly the same as you do
>>>>>>> now. I
>>>>>>> found it hard to answer and end a call, and generally dreaded
>>>>>>> going near it.
>>>>>>> But I decided that if I could use my iPod Touch successfully,
>>>>>>> then I would
>>>>>>> vow to apply the same logic to an iPhone, and embrace it once
>>>>>>> and for all.
>>>>>>> So I did that at the start of this year, and am glad I did now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know Steve will shout me down here, but I find the iOS
>>>>>>> experience slightly
>>>>>>> easier than Android. That isn't to say I don't like the latter, I
>>>>>>> definitely do. But I find it easier to skip round my iOS
>>>>>>> devices than I do
>>>>>>> my Nexus 7 tablet. I can't explain why, I just find it more of
>>>>>>> a hassle.
>>>>>>> But Mr Nutt will say it is all down to training and getting to
>>>>>>> know your
>>>>>>> device well, and I accept that, (smile). I guess you just feel
>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>> comfortable with some things better than others.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please don't feel despondent Jim, I think that, if we are being
>>>>>>> honest, we
>>>>>>> have all felt the same way at one point or another.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jackie Brown
>>>>>>> Twitter: @thebrownsplace
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> [mailto:access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Jim McAuslan
>>>>>>> Sent: 13 September 2013 14:32
>>>>>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> Subject: [access-uk] smart phones and touch screens
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi List,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Earlier today I wandered into my local O2 shop to investigagte
>>>>>>> how to
>>>>>>> use a smart phone with a touch screen. I tried out both the
>>>>>>> Samsung
>>>>>>> Galaxy S3 and the S4 and had a very difficult and disempowering
>>>>>>> experience.
>>>>>>> I just couldn't seem to get the "double tap" thing going and
>>>>>>> both phones
>>>>>>> kept on bombarding me with loads of information that I founhd
>>>>>>> distracting. I came away feeling slightly depressed and
>>>>>>> disempowered.
>>>>>>> Am I alone when it comes to touch phones with speech?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
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