[access-uk] Re: War on assistive technology (was: RE: Re: The dawning of a brave new world ...
- From: "James & Nash" <james.austin1984@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 15:51:05 +0000
That sound pretty bad, although I have not had experienc with it. We both would
be using the screen as totally blind users so this might be a problem.
TC
James, Lyn, Nash & Twinny
On 7 Mar 2010, at 13:33, Steve Hyde-Dryden wrote:
> Yeah, got to agree with Steve on this one. I got rid of a very nice N86 to
> venture into the iPhone world. Biggest mistake! Yes, very nice, very sexy
> and what a cool gizmo. Problem is the speed of accessing the more vital
> aspects of the phone. If you have aprox 250 contacts, like I do, then it is
> a lengthy process to get to your contacts. I may not have mastered the
> interface totaly but unless I used the favourites facility, it took what
> seemed like ages to find a specific number. If I wanted to find a specific
> text from someone and reply to it, well, hahaha that took even longer. I
> didn't like the way it groups texts from people. You then have to go through
> the process of writing the text as well.
>
> What broke the camels back was when I tried to retrieve my messages. You
> have to put the iPhone on it's back and flick it into loudspeaker mode so you
> can access the dtmf tomes to interrogate your answer machine. This means,
> unless you have headphones I guess, you have to listen to your messages on
> speaker.
>
> I also have the iPod Touch and wouldn't part with it. It'll do everything
> the iPhone will except make calls smiles.
>
> I've gone back to a trusted old N85 which I can receive a message on, read
> it, reply to it and send it all well within 30 seconds. I defy an iPhone
> user to be able to do that simply by using voice over. If you can see it,
> it's a different thing entirely!
>
> Steve
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 8:59 AM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: War on assistive technology (was: RE: Re: The
> dawning of a brave new world ...
>
>
>> Hi James,
>>
>> In my experience, more applications for Symbian work out of the box than do
>> with the iPhone or Touch. As a simple example, Navigon used to work well
>> for GPS, until they took voice prompts out of pedestrian mode, so they have
>> gone backwards.
>>
>> Wayfinder continues to work for Symbian, and Ovi Maps works to a degree, but
>> not perfectly.
>>
>> Also as far as connectivity is concerned, I can connect my Braille display
>> via Bluetooth with Symbian, which I can't do with an iPhone.
>>
>> Also, OCR is a no-no with iPhone, since the camera is so primitive.
>>
>> Finally, battery life is so poor as to make it not worth it, and the battery
>> is not even user replacable, so you can't just go out and buy a spare.
>>
>> Don't get caught up in the hype is all I am saying, the iPhone is nice to
>> feel, but that's all I can say good about it.
>>
>> All the best
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
>> James & Nash
>> Sent: Saturday 6 March 2010 14:21
>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: War on assistive technology (was: RE: Re: The
>> dawning of a brave new world ...
>>
>> Hi Steve,
>>
>> I don't know if this is just me, but I have always had terrible trouble with
>> Talks and my Nokia cell phones.
>>
>> I have spent some time with the IPhone, and I think I like it. I think I
>> would be much slower texting than I am with my current Nokia phone, but if I
>> did decide to use an IPhone, I would be using mainstream software which i
>> could use out of the box.
>>
>> Also Steve, do you have any evidence to support your statement that you have
>> better access to applications using Talks than would using Voice Over on the
>> IPhone?
>>
>> TC
>> James, Lyn, Nash & Twinny
>> On 6 Mar 2010, at 10:46, Steve Nutt wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Gordon,
>>>
>>> Trouble is, it is so expensive. You can buy an E71 for 200 quid, then
>>> transfer the Talks for 50, and you have paid half the price for an iPhone,
>>> and have better access to applications, and better connectivity.
>>>
>>> All the best
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
>> Of
>>> Gordon Keen
>>> Sent: Friday 5 March 2010 15:18
>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: War on assistive technology (was: RE: Re: The
>>> dawning of a brave new world ...
>>>
>>> I for one agree with him, technology should be designed and manufactured
>>> with access for all and we should not, definitely not have to buy add on
>>> equipment or software to make it so.
>>> Apple are getting there slowly but they are getting there.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> G
>>>
>>> From glorious Devon, England.
>>> On 5 Mar 2010, at 12:23, Damon Rose wrote:
>>>
>>>> The reason I decided to go for the iPhone in the end is this rather
>>>> political blog entry from Mike Calvo. He's saying we're on the brink of
>>>> universal aaccessibility and should turn our backs on the status quo of
>>>> assistive technology. Well, he kind of says this but also kind of
>>>> suggests that assistive tech people should use mainstream platforms and
>>>> devices, not ghetto gizmos:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.accessibilitynewsinternational.com/?p=1294&utm_source=twitter
>>>> feed&utm_medium=twitter
>>>>
>>>> I'm not 100% behind his words but I felt moved to try the iPhone as a
>>>> result. Not sure that's what he expected people to do.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
>>>> Of Lyn & Twinny
>>>> Sent: 05 March 2010 10:30
>>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: The dawning of a brave new world ...
>>>>
>>>> I would really be interested to read people's experiences with the
>>>> I-phone. I use a mac at home but have never tried the Iphone. I am very
>>>> happy with my Nokia N96. However, I would like, , to know for example
>>>> how easy/hard it is to type a text message, to navigate the different
>>>> menus and so on. So please, share your experience with me if you wish
>>>> and feel free to do this off list if you do not wish to clutter the list
>>>> with a lot of message that may not be of any interest to the people on
>>>> this list. I hope to hear from some of you at some point about I-phone
>>>> experience.
>>>>
>>>> Take care all and thanks for your time in sharing this with me.
>>>>
>>>> Lyn & Twinny
>>>>
>>>> On 3/5/10, Mike Moore <mikeis@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>> Damon,
>>>>>
>>>>> You sure know how to live dangerously! Keep us posted!
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>
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