It is an interesting point why some of us find it difficult to hold a pen when we can perform other tasks sighted people can perform, e.g. using the keyboard, opening a purse, turning pages in a book etc. It must be some sort of visual learning in holding the pen is all I can think. I did mention cutlery but I know that I do not hold a knife and fork like a sighted person. As a child they did try teaching me but I could not learn that either. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hussein Patwa" <accessuk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:59 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: RUBBER STAMPING SIGNATURE
Hi Carl,I don't think it's the actual signing per say, more the spacial awareness orlack of that a blind person may have. Things like the size of the signature, direction, etc, that they cannot relate to the rest of the document as they cannot see it. I can imagine this is particularlydifficult where the signature space is boxed, and there are other boxes fordata close to it, such as on the standard application form where signature and date are side by side. There is also as some have mentioned the difficulty with handling a pen in confined spaces, although I have no personal experience of this so won't comment so as not to offend. _______________________________________ Have a pleasant day, Kind Regards and Best Wishes, Hussein. 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Thank you for your co-operation.Protect our trees; Do not print unless absolutely necessary. Save paper bydeleting sections of the message which are not relevant.-----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Karl Proud Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:35 PM To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: RUBBER STAMPING SIGNATURE Hi, I must be missing something here, but what is the problem with signing things as a blind person? I've never thought it was a problem, just ask someone to put the pen on the paper and away you go... Cheers Karl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Beasley" <pjbeasley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 12:48 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: RUBBER STAMPING SIGNATURE I will often let people sign on my behalf for example, when they come to do my annual gas service. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hussein Patwa" <accessuk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 12:38 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: RUBBER STAMPING SIGNATURE > Hi, > > Oh how I wish I'd thought of this when I was at University! Even my mum > uses one and she's not visually impaired. I used to have to sign things at > least 20 times a week and it was getting to be a real bother. Like > Eleanor, > I would accept people signing on my behalf but I would not like it. It's > that loss of independence for something so simple (compared to other > things) > and in legal terms unless it's set up properly you also have that loss of > control. > > How something so simple can make such a big difference! Oh well, > something > to bear in mind for the future. > > _______________________________________ > Have a pleasant day, > > Kind Regards and Best Wishes, > > Hussein. > > Hussein Patwa > Tel: 0789 47 595 62 (UK) > Tel: +44 (0)122 4433 954 (SIP) > Skype: patwaspotterfan2 > GoogleTalk: thewanderingwriter > Web: www.patwanet.co.uk > My Blog: http://patwaspotterfan.livejournal.com > > Find me on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=510013486 > > Please note: For security reasons calls from witheld numbers may not be > connected. Please release your number so it can be viewed prior to > calling. > Contact your telephone service provider for advice on how to do this if > required. All calls may be recorded for fact verification. > > DISCLAIMER: > This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential or sensitive > information and are intended solely for the stated recipient(s). Copying > or > distribution in any form is not permitted without the prior consent of the > sender. If you have received this message in error, please delete it and > any attachments from your system and notify the sender immediately. Thank > you for your co-operation. > > Protect our trees; Do not print unless absolutely necessary. Save paper > by > deleting sections of the message which are not relevant. > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On >> Behalf Of Eleanor Burke >> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:44 AM >> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: [SPAM] Re: RUBBER STAMPING SIGNATURE >> >> I agree Peter though I did learn at the age of 10 to write mine. As my >> vision deteriorated so did my signature. Thing is I feel it is good to >> be >> asked to sign rather than those days when people wanted to put an x >> there >> because the person could not write their name. It is this notjion of >> illetercy that I did not like, it wasn't an inability to write but an >> inability to see what one is writing. Ibrahim made a very interesting >> point >> which I thought related to me only, the ability to hold a pen >> correctly. I >> was shown so many times as a child but it all felt very awkward and if >> I >> held it like a sighted person then I would not have a hope of writing >> anything. Strange that, we learn to use a knife and fork in the same >> way as >> sighted people, or do we!? >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Peter Beasley" <pjbeasley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:25 AM >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: [SPAM] Re: RUBBER STAMPING SIGNATURE >> >> >> >I hate signing anything. I couldn't sign at all until I went on my >> second >> >stay at RNIB'S Mannor House Torquay in 1989 When I was taught. My >> signature >> >is s different each time, and I have difficulty making it small. >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Eleanor Burke" <eleanorburke@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> > Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:32 AM >> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: [SPAM] Re: RUBBER STAMPING SIGNATURE >> > >> > >> >>I wonder would the signature guide help in this regard. At least >> someone >> >>can put it n the place where the signature goes. Trouble I find is >> making >> >>of keeping the signature small enough. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Ibrahim Gucukoglu" <ibrahim_gucukoglu@xxxxxxxx> >> >> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:30 AM >> >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: [SPAM] Re: RUBBER STAMPING SIGNATURE >> >> >> >> >> >>> Hi Richard. >> >>> >> >>> Fair enough, sound advice but my wife's bank is happy to allow her >> to >> >>> use her stamp, however I'm not privy to the importance of the >> documents >> >>> she's allowed to sign with it as we keep our banking arrangements >> >>> totally separate *smile*. >> >>> >> >>> All the best and thanks again for your input. >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>> From: "Richard Godfrey-McKay" <richard@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> >>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:23 AM >> >>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: [SPAM] Re: RUBBER STAMPING SIGNATURE >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>> As a solicitor, I wouldn't advise using a stamp for important >> docs. >> >>>> This is >> >>>> because, >> >>>> 1. The risk of misuse by a third party is greater; and >> >>>> 2. even if banks and so on are prepared to accept use of a stamp, >> they >> >>>> usually require you to give an indemnity - which would make you >> >>>> responsible >> >>>> even if the stamp were used by a third party without your consent. >> >>>> >> >>>> I think it's slightly different at work, where I used a stamp for >> >>>> signing >> >>>> quite a lot of stuff, but I knew that I was not likely to incur >> any >> >>>> liability by doing so. >> >>>> >> >>>> Richard Godfrey-McKay >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Tel: (01738) 445 880 >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Mobile: 07791-452593 >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -----Original Message----- >> >>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On >> >>>> Behalf Of >> >>>> Ibrahim Gucukoglu >> >>>> Sent: 11 November 2009 10:14 >> >>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> >>>> Subject: [SPAM] [access-uk] Re: RUBBER STAMPING SIGNATURE >> >>>> >> >>>> Hi Richard. >> >>>> >> >>>> Why not? My wife uses hers all the time for doing important >> banking >> >>>> forms, >> >>>> even for signing work related paperwork. Its your signature after >> all, >> >>>> the >> >>>> stamp is custom made and can easily be refilled with ink. >> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>>> From: "Richard Godfrey-McKay" <richard@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> >>>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:11 AM >> >>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: RUBBER STAMPING SIGNATURE >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>> Carol, Most stationery shops do them. OK for letters, but I >> shouldn't >> >>>>> use them for signing important docs. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Richard Godfrey-McKay >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Tel: (01738) 445 880 >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Mobile: 07791-452593 >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >> >>>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On >> >>>>> Behalf Of Carol Pearson >> >>>>> Sent: 11 November 2009 09:56 >> >>>>> To: Access UK Mailing List >> >>>>> Subject: [access-uk] RUBBER STAMPING SIGNATURE >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Hi all, >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Does anyone use a stamp for their signature these days? We used >> to >> >>>>> have one ages back ... 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