Have you been able to see, Karl? When did you learn to write your signature?
For many of us, even if we learned earlier, over time this is more difficult and I would have hoped you'd appreciate that, even if you can write yours with no problem at all! I can't even get pens always to work for me when they work for others, because of the way I hold them. To try to hold them properly for writing was just awful and I felt I had no control as I attempted to make the shape of the letters!
Whilst my husband can sign reasonably quickly and doesn't mind it, still his signature is not that readable at all. Neither of us have had sight, though he used the Optacon for many years, so maybe this helped him in forming the shapes.
Incidentally, there are also a number of people with sight who cannot sign for one reason and another, and I see no reason why we shouldn't make life simpler for ourselves! <Smiles>
-- Carol carol.pearson29@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx On Twitter: http://twitter.com/songbird49a ---- Original Message ---- From: "Karl Proud" <karl@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:35 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: RUBBER STAMPING SIGNATURE
Hi, I must be missing something here, but what is the problem with signing things as a blind person? I've never thought it was a problem, just ask someone to put the pen on the paper and away you go... Cheers Karl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Beasley" <pjbeasley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 12:48 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: RUBBER STAMPING SIGNATURE I will often let people sign on my behalf for example, when they come to do my annual gas service. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hussein Patwa" <accessuk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 12:38 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: RUBBER STAMPING SIGNATUREHi, Oh how I wish I'd thought of this when I was at University! Even my mum uses one and she's not visually impaired. I used to have to sign things at least 20 times a week and it was getting to be a real bother. Like Eleanor, I would accept people signing on my behalf but I would not like it. It's that loss of independence for something so simple (compared to other things) and in legal terms unless it's set up properly you also have that loss of control. How something so simple can make such a big difference! Oh well, something to bear in mind for the future. _______________________________________ Have a pleasant day, Kind Regards and Best Wishes, Hussein. Hussein Patwa Tel: 0789 47 595 62 (UK) Tel: +44 (0)122 4433 954 (SIP) Skype: patwaspotterfan2 GoogleTalk: thewanderingwriter Web: www.patwanet.co.uk My Blog: http://patwaspotterfan.livejournal.com Find me on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=510013486 Please note: For security reasons calls from witheld numbers may not be connected. Please release your number so it can be viewed prior to calling. Contact your telephone service provider for advice on how to do this if required. All calls may be recorded for fact verification. 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Thing is I feel it is good to be asked to sign rather than those days when people wanted to put an x there because the person could not write their name. It is this notjion of illetercy that I did not like, it wasn't an inability to write but an inability to see what one is writing. Ibrahim made a very interesting point which I thought related to me only, the ability to hold a pen correctly. I was shown so many times as a child but it all felt very awkward and if I held it like a sighted person then I would not have a hope of writing anything. Strange that, we learn to use a knife and fork in the same way as sighted people, or do we!? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Beasley" <pjbeasley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:25 AM Subject: [access-uk] Re: [SPAM] Re: RUBBER STAMPING SIGNATURE >I hate signing anything. I couldn't sign at all until >I went on my second >stay at RNIB'S Mannor House Torquay in 1989 When I was >taught. My signature >is s different each time, and I have difficulty making > it small. ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eleanor Burke" <eleanorburke@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:32 AM > Subject: [access-uk] Re: [SPAM] Re: RUBBER STAMPING > SIGNATURE > > >>I wonder would the signature guide help in this >>regard. At least someone >>can put it n the place where the signature goes. >>Trouble I find is making >>of keeping the signature small enough. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ibrahim Gucukoglu" >> <ibrahim_gucukoglu@xxxxxxxx> >> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:30 AM >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: [SPAM] Re: RUBBER STAMPING >> SIGNATURE >> >> >>> Hi Richard. >>> >>> Fair enough, sound advice but my wife's bank is >>> happy to allow her to >>> use her stamp, however I'm not privy to the >>> importance of the documents >>> she's allowed to sign with it as we keep our >>> banking arrangements totally separate *smile*. >>> >>> All the best and thanks again for your input. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Richard Godfrey-McKay" >>> <richard@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:23 AM >>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: [SPAM] Re: RUBBER STAMPING >>> SIGNATURE >>> >>> >>>> As a solicitor, I wouldn't advise using a stamp >>>> for important docs. >>>> This is >>>> because, >>>> 1. The risk of misuse by a third party is greater; >>>> and >>>> 2. even if banks and so on are prepared to accept >>>> use of a stamp, they >>>> usually require you to give an indemnity - which >>>> would make you responsible >>>> even if the stamp were used by a third party >>>> without your consent. >>>> >>>> I think it's slightly different at work, where I >>>> used a stamp for signing >>>> quite a lot of stuff, but I knew that I was not >>>> likely to incur any >>>> liability by doing so. >>>> >>>> Richard Godfrey-McKay >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Tel: (01738) 445 880 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Mobile: 07791-452593 >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of >>>> Ibrahim Gucukoglu >>>> Sent: 11 November 2009 10:14 >>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> Subject: [SPAM] [access-uk] Re: RUBBER STAMPING >>>> SIGNATURE >>>> >>>> Hi Richard. >>>> >>>> Why not? My wife uses hers all the time for doing >>>> important banking >>>> forms, >>>> even for signing work related paperwork. Its your >>>> signature after all, >>>> the >>>> stamp is custom made and can easily be refilled >>>> with ink. ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Richard Godfrey-McKay" >>>> <richard@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:11 AM >>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: RUBBER STAMPING SIGNATURE >>>> >>>> >>>>> Carol, Most stationery shops do them. OK for >>>>> letters, but I shouldn't >>>>> use them for signing important docs. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Richard Godfrey-McKay >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Tel: (01738) 445 880 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Mobile: 07791-452593 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of >>>>> Carol Pearson >>>>> Sent: 11 November 2009 09:56 >>>>> To: Access UK Mailing List >>>>> Subject: [access-uk] RUBBER STAMPING SIGNATURE >>>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone use a stamp for their signature these >>>>> days? We used to >>>>> have one ages back ... 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