[access-uk] Re: Looking for group
- From: Shaun O'Connor <capricorn8159@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 02:55:25 +0000
interesting point, here is another one to get your brains around, the
nature of perceived reality. suppose you are asleep and you "wake up"
fully conscious in a dream. for that time frame the dream would be as
real as the world we perceive in our waking state. , the only difference
being that the laws of physics as we known them in our waking state
would not apply.. this leads me to the question is reality a function of
perception and if so, it then follows that if we are able to shift our
level of consciousness we can perceive different realities. taking it a
step further, which is the true reality, that which we perceive in our
waking state, that which accurs in our sleeping state(of which we are
not ordinarily conscious) or both? we cannot normally remember our
dreams in the waking world and we cannot "remember" our waking life when
in the dream environment.
On 25/02/2014 00:39, Angel wrote:
> I discussed the idea about totally blind people seeing in their dreams
> with an ophthalmologist, who asked me that question. When he
> determined no light was received by my brain. He said, if a person
> ever saw at all. Even if he lost his sight at a few months of age, he
> would see in his dreams. But, a person who never at all saw light or
> anything else for that matter, would not see in his dreams. My
> question would be: If a totally blind person never saw at all at any
> time in his life, how would he know he saw. Not having anything to
> compare sight or its lack to.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ari Damoulakis"
> <aridamoulakis@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 3:58 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Looking for group
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>
>> Look I have just come very lately to the party on this because before
>> I was extremely sceptical from reading people like Richard Dawkins and
>> James Randi etc, but then I read a book by Pim Van Lommel who I
>> thought the points he made about consciousness seemed to me to refute
>> what the skeptics were saying. I'm not exaggerating when I say it was
>> one of the most interesting books I've ever read, particularly the
>> weird fact that most people they've studied who have actually
>> experienced an NDE then leave all organised religions, you would have
>> expected the converse maybe? The thing that really got me though is he
>> talked about a research study that was done by a guy on NDES that
>> happened to totally blind people, and 3 of them who had been blind
>> since birth apparently claimed to have been able to experience the
>> phenomenon of sight when they left their bodies during the NDES. The
>> rejections to that that some skeptics made were that blind people also
>> see in their dreams but I for example have never been able to do that,
>> I think people who are blind since birth don't see in their dreams?
>> And there's also the whole thing about whether the blind can
>> experience ghosts and things that sighted people claim. I don't know,
>> I just wondered about this and hope there is a group or, even if there
>> isn't a actual group for the blind, whether there are blind people on
>> normal groups who've experienced these, and a discussion group for the
>> blind on these phenomena would be very interesting, since most blind
>> groups I find are just mainstream religion ones.
>>
>> On 2/24/14, Debby McCallan <debramccallan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> Me too.
>>> Debs
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Shaun O'Connor" <capricorn8159@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 7:36 PM
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Looking for group
>>>
>>>
>>>> Whilst i do no know of any groups that cater for that interest
>>>> among the
>>>> blind community, it is an area of interest that also have.
>>>>
>>>> Sean
>>>> On 24/02/2014 18:47, Ari Damoulakis wrote:
>>>>> Hi guys
>>>>> If there isn't a blind one, then a good mainstream one will be OK,
>>>>> but
>>>>> is there by any chance a list where blind people discuss the
>>>>> paranormal, particularly things like NDE's, OBE's psychic abilities,
>>>>> ESP etc. I'm not talking about religion or religious lists. I don't
>>>>> know if we in the blind community have many experiences of such
>>>>> things, so it would be great to know if such a list exists.
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Ari
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